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bob jenkins Tue Jul 06, 2021 07:41pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Goodman (Post 1043772)
But how does anyone know it's a dribble until the ball is touched again?
99.44% of the time it's obvious.

Otherwise, wait until it's touched. The violation is for *releasing* the ball on a dribble.

BillyMac Wed Jul 07, 2021 01:27am
Ivory Soap, 99 And 44/100 Pure ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1043773)
99.44% of the time it's obvious. Otherwise, wait until it's touched. The violation is for *releasing* the ball on a dribble.
I wait until it's touched otherwise it could be the start of a legal bounce pass.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.m...=0&w=221&h=167

RefLarry Thu Jul 08, 2021 07:01am
This is not a traveling violation.
 
This is not a traveling violation according to IAABO

as BillyM says"Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum."


Play Commentary
White #35 appears to jump to attempt a try when the ball slips from his grasp. White #35 then returns to the floor and recovers the ball.
This is considered a fumble. By NFHS rules, this would be a legal play.
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp. (4-21)
A player may legally recover a fumble, which is what occurred in this play. After recovering the ball, the ball handler would establish a pivot foot outlined in the traveling rules. (4-44)

JRutledge Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:23am
Quote:
Originally Posted by RefLarry (Post 1043776)
This is not a traveling violation according top IAABO

as BillyM says"Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum."


Play Commentary
White #35 appears to jump to attempt a try when the ball slips from his grasp. White #35 then returns to the floor and recovers the ball.
This is considered a fumble. By NFHS rules, this would be a legal play.
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp. (4-21)
A player may legally recover a fumble, which is what occurred in this play. After recovering the ball, the ball handler would establish a pivot foot outlined in the traveling rules. (4-44)
Is this the IAABO commentary about the play like BM normally posts or is this your spin on this play?

And I totally agree with this commentary BTW.

Peace

BillyMac Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:28am
IAABO Survey Says …
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1043777)
Is this the IAABO commentary about the play like BM normally posts ...
Yes.

Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...%2FMYUhw%3D%3D

IAABO Play Commentary Correct Answer: This is not a traveling violation.

White #35 appears to jump to attempt a try when the ball slips from his grasp. White #35 then returns to the floor and recovers the ball.

This is considered a fumble. By NFHS rules, this would be a legal play. A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp. (4-21)

A player may legally recover a fumble, which is what occurred in this play. After recovering the ball, the ball handler would establish a pivot foot outlined in the traveling rules. (4-44)

Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is a traveling violation 71%. This is not a traveling violation 29% (including me).

BillyMac Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:36am
Don't Leave Home Without It ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RefLarry (Post 1043776)
This is not a traveling violation according top IAABO ...
What? No percentage breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video? RefLarry must have misplaced his Pickett Model N-500-ES Trig All Metal Slide Rule.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...925d5034_m.jpg

BillyMac Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:40am
Perfect Strangers ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RefLarry (Post 1043776)
...
Is Cousin Larry officiating basketball now?

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP._...=95&w=94&h=104

Note: Young'uns can look it up on the Google.

BillyMac Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:24am
Fumble ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1043755)
Any chance that this could be considered a try for goal? A shooter can always retrieve his own airball if the official considers it to be a shot attempt.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1043778)
This is considered a fumble. By NFHS rules, this would be a legal play. A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp. (4-21)
Interesting to note that IAABO bases its interpretation on the fumble aspect, not the try for goal aspect (which was a stretch).

RefLarry Thu Jul 08, 2021 05:05pm
I am trying!

RefLarry Thu Jul 08, 2021 05:10pm
Next time I quote you BillyMac I will include percentage breakdown.

BillyMac Thu Jul 08, 2021 05:25pm
New Fangled Calculator ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RefLarry (Post 1043797)
Next time ... I will include percentage breakdown.
I bet that you will use of of those new fangled calculators, never quite trusted 'em.


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