NCAAW Baylor/UConn

[SC Official]

0.4 left in the game. You calling anything there?

[Raymond]

If I'm the Lead on that play with that time and score scenario, I'm mirroring the ball and coming over to help referee that play.

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[JRutledge]

Nope. Two defenders and leaning back? Nope. Take a better shot.

Peace

[Raymond]

And yes, I have a foul on that play. Post players always like to walk into shooters.

I have significant contact from A to B movement and also she didn't keep her arms vertical and came down on the shooter.

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

And yes, I have a foul on that play. Post players always like to walk into shooters.

I have significant contact from A to B movement and also she didn't keep her arms vertical and came down on the shooter.

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Agree...there was clear contact. Too bad the C and L were stacked to it. The T needed to realized the game situation and that it was the only play that was going to matter. The T had the only angle that could clearly have seen it. The T needed to go get that. If the T had, the only ones talking about that play would be us (about whether it was a right for the T to go get it) instead of everyone else.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree...there was clear contact. Too bad the C and L were stacked to it. The T needed to realized the game situation and that it was the only play that was going to matter. The T had the only angle that could clearly have seen it. The T needed to go get that. If the T had, the only ones talking about that play would be us (about whether it was a right for the T to go get it) instead of everyone else.

Yeah, I mentioned that somewhere else on social media. As soon as the ball handler went away from the Trail, the Trail needed to step down and be ready to help referee anything in the paint.

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[JRutledge]

Yeah there is contact, with not one, but two bigger players in her face trying to shoot? Yeah, that contact is going to happen. It was a horrible shot, absolutely horrible. They knew she was going to shoot and met her with their size. We do not expect that kind of contact in Men's games. This to me is a girl's or woman's basketball thing. Players fall we must have something or else. We would not be arguing if Shaq was defending Allen Iverson on a shot like this with his teammate Dennis Rodman right next to Shaq. We would say things I have heard over the years, "pass the ball" or "Do not take on bigger players on that shot." The play by the Baylor player was pure desparation, not a quality or very warranted shot.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Baylor coach Kim Mulkey, who believed without question that Carrington was fouled on her drive down the left side.

"You don't need a quote from me," Mulkey said. "I've got still shots and video from two angles. One (UConn) kid hits her in the face, one kid hits her on the elbow."

Auriemma attributed the non-foul call to "the nature of sports," and challenged anyone who wished to check every single call throughout the game and add them up.

"I mean, you could go back and forth, the whole thing," Auriemma said. "The bottom line is the officials did what they're going to do. It is what it is. I'm not going to sit here and apologize for it. And if people are going to want to talk about that the rest of the week, you're welcome to do that."

Video: https://twitter.com/i/status/1376704066668093445

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yeah there is contact, with not one, but two bigger players in her face trying to shoot? Yeah, that contact is going to happen. It was a horrible shot, absolutely horrible. They knew she was going to shoot and met her with their size. We do not expect that kind of contact in Men's games. This to me is a girl's or woman's basketball thing. Players fall we must have something or else. We would not be arguing if Shaq was defending Allen Iverson on a shot like this with his teammate Dennis Rodman right next to Shaq. We would say things I have heard over the years, "pass the ball" or "Do not take on bigger players on that shot." The play by the Baylor player was pure desparation, not a quality or very warranted shot.

Peace

I tend to agree with you. I feel like if you called this in a men’s game, especially at that point in the game, it would be considered a “bail out” foul by a clinician or assigner. It was a horrible play-call and a desperation shot. I have somewhat reconsidered that position given that I have heard from multiple men’s officials who believe it’s a foul (including this thread), but I’m still not convinced I would have called anything.

I also don’t really care what a still picture shows. We don’t get to officiate frame-by-frame and if the contact with the defender’s torso caused the arms to not be vertical, a still frame is not going to tell that story.

[Raymond]

I've called this foul plenty of times. Post players like to walk into shooters with their hands up thinking that absolves them from illegal contact. They also like to straighten their arms up after contact as if they didn't come down on the shooter.

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[Raymond]

I work men's college basketball games. The UConn/Baylor play, the Oregon State block shot followed by the hit to the arm (this season's tournament), and the play Jeff just posted where the player gets hit in the head are fouls to me. That is based on watching videos of each play. The play from Goshen versus Grace should not have been a foul because the defender jumped straight up vertically with both hands above his head.



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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What’s the OSU play? Do you have a link?

I think he is talking about a play I posted earlier in the tournament, but have not put up on YouTube yet (I will but the CBS gets on my nerves).

I would agree with him it is similar, but that to me was two different acts. One guy blocked the ball and the other came over and hit the player in the head and arm I believe.

Peace

[Raymond]

I also have more of a foul on #20 for hitting elbow than I do on the other player for the body contact. Neither defender touched the ball.

If the Lead moves with the play, he sees that hit to the elbow.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Neither defender touched the ball.

You could be correct about #20 Olivia Nelson-Ododa (the elbow hitter).

#3 Aaliyah Edwards did get her hand on the ball before it was released. Not a block, just a touch before the ball was released, while still in Carrington's hands.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I also have more of a foul on #20 for hitting elbow than I do on the other player for the body contact.

It's certainly easy to see the still photo. Too bad the Lead, or the Center, didn't (or couldn't) see it live.