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No Such Thing As A Self Pass ???
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The concept of (especially high school) "self passes" pops up occasionally here on the Forum. Often answered by comments like, "No such thing by NFHS definition" (citing 4-31: A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player), often ending the discussion so we often never get to study the legality of something that doesn't even truly exist according to the NFHS. Apparently the NBA does broach the concept of self passes (according to so cal lurker). That why I wanted to extrapolate to NBA rules involving self passes to see what's going on two gigantic levels above my pay grade. How does the NBA "handle" self-passes? What's the violation? Travel? Illegal dribble? Self-pass? Something else? Why do they broach the term while the NFHS denies its existence? Also, I like the term self pass, it's easily understandable, even if it doesn't exist according NFHS rules. Certainly no harm in using self pass as a generic term to describe a certain act, or situation? Right? |
My high school commissioner is an NBA Finals referee. Our lead on-court trainer is an NBA referee. The two referees whom you referenced above as the children of a forum member came up through my high school board. I referee every summer using NBA rules in a Pro-Am for the aforementioned trainer of my high school board, often side-by-side with G-League and NBA referees.
I am familiar enough with how NBA referees operate. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
What'cha Call A Forum NBA Expert ...
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That being said, how does the NBA define a self-pass? Are there any NBA interpretations regarding such? What's the violation? Travel? Illegal dribble? Self-pass? Something else? Also, a general question, does the NBA have an "intent and purpose" clause in its rulebook, and is it similar to the NFHS clause? Thank you in advance. |
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For the situation in the OP, there is an NFHS play ruling in which B1 grabs a rebound, pivots, and attempts an outlet pass to a teammate who runs away without knowing that the pass was thrown his way. B1 runs over and collects the ball after it has bounced on the court. The ruling is that this is a legal play and that the action constitutes a dribble by B1.
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NEVADAREF ... now that is what I am after .. which year is the case play? THANKS
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Let's Go To The Videotape ...
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Situation 6: A1 jumps from the floor and secures a defensive re-bound. A1 then pivots toward the sideline where a teammate, A2, is standing for an outlet pass. Just as A1 releases the pass, A2 turns and runs down the court. A1 throws a soft bounce pass to where A2 was standing. A1 then moves and secures the ball without dribbling. RULING: Legal action. A1 had the pivot foot on the floor and began a dribble by throwing the ball to the floor (the bounce pass); the dribble ended when A1 secured the ball. Upon reaching the ball, A1 also could have continued the dribble. (4-15-3,4) |
The Rarely Used Flamingo Interpretation ...
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Rules With No His/Her ...
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NBA Section XIII—Traveling A player may not be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his backboard, basket ring or another player. So this below would be illegal by NBA rules. Interesting. Quote:
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I Know It When I See It ...
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Clear Conception ...
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Each official should have a definite and clear conception of their overall responsibilities. It is essential for them to know, understand and implement the rules as intended. If all officials possess the same conception there will be a guaranteed uniformity in the administration of all contests. The restrictions placed upon the player by the rules are intended to create a balance of play, equal opportunity for the defense and the offense, provide reasonable safety and protection for all players and emphasize cleverness and skill without unduly limiting freedom of action of player or team. The purpose of penalties is to compensate a player who has been placed at a disadvantage through an illegal act of an opponent and to restrain players from committing acts which, if ignored, might lead to roughness even though they do not affect the immediate play. |
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All NBA officials come through an NBA developmental program where they are taught the same philosophies and principles. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
One Rule, One Interpretation, One Mechanic ...
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Unfortunately, these consistent IAABO philosophies and principles often get diluted as they trickle down through the state and local levels. A local IAABO board is only as good as it's most recent interpreter (trainer). The only live professional basketball I'm exposed to is the WNBA Connecticut Sun. When I watch these games I'm always impressed by the officials, their confidence, their skill, and their consistency, as if they're all made from the same mold. https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.F...=0&w=300&h=300 |
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Will Call Box Office Window ...
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Our families have a lot in common. Esteemed? Maybe? Sure, if you say so. https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.g...=0&w=298&h=164 |
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