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Old Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:24am
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Yeah, I retract my earlier post. That far up the lane, partially outside, I have no issues with C taking this play.
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Old Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:35am
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Yeah, I retract my earlier post. That far up the lane, partially outside, I have no issues with C taking this play.
Thank you JRut for posting this play for good discussion.

The C should certainly stay engaged with this play and the offensive contact.
The contact happened way up the lane line, the defender had one foot outside the key, and the action happened far above the RA.

The C's mechanics could have been better by using the "hand behind the head" signal; I have no problem with the C taking this call and the L giving it up.
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Old Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:23am
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Doesn’t NCAA-W punch on all offensive fouls? And yet, the “it can be confused for scoring the goal” mantra has clearly never been an issue for them. Maybe men’s officials just have sloppy signals? If your offensive foul signal is confused for an “and-1” you need to get in front of the mirror.
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Old Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:33am
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Doesn’t NCAA-W punch on all offensive fouls? And yet, the “it can be confused for scoring the goal” mantra has clearly never been an issue for them. Maybe men’s officials just have sloppy signals? If your offensive foul signal is confused for an “and-1” you need to get in front of the mirror.
Yes, NCAAW has the punch signal. And, yes, sometimes it can be confusing.

On this play, imo, it wasn't a "surprise" play -- that it, the dribbler beat the primary defender quite a while before the contact with the secondary defender, so C can get a good look at it.
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Old Mon Nov 30, 2020, 05:47pm
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The C (Mike G) has player walk directly in front of him during the moment of contact.
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Old Mon Nov 30, 2020, 07:44pm
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Doesn’t NCAA-W punch on all offensive fouls? And yet, the “it can be confused for scoring the goal” mantra has clearly never been an issue for them. Maybe men’s officials just have sloppy signals? If your offensive foul signal is confused for an “and-1” you need to get in front of the mirror.
Well not to be funny, but are people paying attention to the Women's side the same way? This signal took place several times in the NCAA tournament with a lot more eyes and commentators who we know commented on their confusion. So it might not be an issue on the Women's side if not as many people notice the confusion. And it was not in the Final Four either, like first weekend games early. And not everyone has the same style so some guys look very nonchalant in their signaling. I am not saying that it should have changed, but it was confusing at times.

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Old Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:23am
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Yeah, I retract my earlier post. That far up the lane, partially outside, I have no issues with C taking this play.
On the other hand, what else is the L looking at besides the secondary defender?
If I’m on the crew, I’m disappointed if my L isn’t tracking this secondary defender and doesn’t have a quality opinion on this action.
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Old Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:25am
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On the other hand, what else is the L looking at besides the secondary defender?
If I’m on the crew, I’m disappointed if my L isn’t tracking this secondary defender and doesn’t have a quality opinion on this action.
Well it looked like L did have an opinion on the play but gave it up when he noticed C was starting to signal something with his left hand. I have no issue with giving this play to C and if I was Sirmons I likely would have done the same thing.
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