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Old Sun Mar 22, 2020, 05:27pm
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Personal Or Technical ???
I just viewed an IAABO video that we were asked to comment on. I won't go into all the details but instead will just boil it all down to one simple question.

During a live ball, A1 intentionally (no question) throws the basketball into B1's face, hitting B1 hard on B1's nose, who falls down. No question that it was a flagrant foul.

Live ball contact and a flagrant personal foul?

Or live ball no contact and flagrant technical foul?

I know that this has discussed previously on the Forum, I just can't remember what the consensus was.

It makes a difference because in the flagrant personal foul B1 will shoot the free throws and Team A gets the ball back at the closest spot to the foul.

In the flagrant technical foul, any eligible Team B player will shoot the free throws and Team B will get the ball at the division line opposite the table.

Also, is the phrase "flagrant intentional" redundant, or just dead wrong?
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Old Sun Mar 22, 2020, 05:57pm
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There is no personal contact, so it cannot be a personal foul. The act was unsporting if deemed to be.

I believe I saw this video posted on one of the FB pages. Clearly a technical foul. I would even be OK with a Flagrant Technical as the entire thing had ill will associated with the act. It was not like he was trying to save the ball from a violation and happened to hit him in the face.

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Old Sun Mar 22, 2020, 06:08pm
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Also, is the phrase "flagrant intentional" redundant, or just dead wrong?
Dead wrong.

Intentional and flagrant fouls are two different things, by definition.
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Old Sun Mar 22, 2020, 07:11pm
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Flagrant technical foul is correct. Personal fouls involve physical contact between opponents, not the basketball and a player.

Also, SC official is correct about the terminology. Those modifiers are mutually exclusive.
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:25am
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... is the phrase "flagrant intentional" redundant, or just dead wrong?
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Those modifiers are mutually exclusive.
Because all flagrant fouls are deemed to be "intentional"?
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:31am
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Because all flagrant fouls are deemed to be "intentional"?
No. Because they're different but similar....sort of like medium and large.
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:31pm
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No. Because they're different but similar....sort of like medium and large.
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Because all flagrant fouls are deemed to be "intentional"?
One involves an ejection the other does not. That is why they need to change the terminology on these fouls as every other level has done essentially.

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Old Wed Mar 25, 2020, 12:49pm
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Because all flagrant fouls are deemed to be "intentional"?
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One involves an ejection the other does not. That is why they need to change the terminology on these fouls as every other level has done essentially.
Not all intentional fouls are deemed flagrant.

Not sure that the NFHS needs to change its terminology, but it might help me to better understand this issue.
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