Dislodging the Ball from the Thrower's Hands, but...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I have seen a player whose momentum carried him OOB on a made lay-up reach through the boundary line in the opposite direction in an attempt to deflect the throw-in. What would we have if the player who was already OOB does tip the throw-in?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... a player whose momentum carried him OOB on a made lay-up reach through the boundary line in the opposite direction in an attempt to deflect the throw-in. What would we have if the player who was already OOB does tip the throw-in?

Player's momentum carries him off the court. Legal, it is not a violation for a player to unintentionally leave the court.

Player, after being legally out of bounds does not delay and attempts to return back inbounds. Legal.

Player, whose hands are now on the inbounds side of the boundary plane (if this was the case, hard to tell from the earlier post), tips the throwin pass after the ball has been released on a throwin pass, and while the ball is on the inbounds side of the boundary plane (if this was the case, hard to tell from the earlier post). Legal.

Confucius says, "If it ain't illegal, it's legal".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Player's momentum carries him off the court. Legal, it is not a violation for a player to unintentionally leave the court.



Player, after being legally out of bounds does not delay and attempts to return back inbounds. Legal.



Player, whose hands are now on the inbounds side of the boundary plane (if this was the case, hard to tell from the earlier post), tips the throwin pass after the ball has been released on a throwin pass, and while the ball is on the inbounds side of the boundary plane (if this was the case, hard to tell from the earlier post). Legal.



Confucius says, "If it ain't illegal, it's legal".

It would be legal for a player who is standing out of bounds to touch the ball?

When you say legal, do you mean that it's not delay or tech worthy?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It would be legal for a player who is standing out of bounds to touch the ball?

This would present problem that one probably can't finagle around: The opponent(s) of the thrower shall not have any part of his/her person through the inbounds side of the throw-in boundary-line plane until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass.

Originally Posted by Raymond

When you say legal, do you mean that it's not delay or tech worthy?

I definitely can't say that with any degree of certainty. Both Raymond's situation and Freddy's situation are really odd situations, both are probably violations, or technical fouls, or warnings, but part of me wants to give the kid who is out a bounds a break for his hustle.

[Raymond]

If a player is already out of bounds legally, we cannot penalize him for being there when the throw-in starts after a made basket. So any infractions and penalties should not include those that arise from reaching through the boundary plane or stepping out of bounds AFTER the throw-in starts.

In Freddy's play, the offender can get a technical foul for keeping the ball from being put in play. But keeping the ball from being put in play is not included in any of the references in regards to delay warnings. The offender did not reach through the boundary plane and the offender did not interfere with the ball after a goal or prevent the ball from becoming live.

So I have a technical foul with no warning attached. If he had contacted the thrower-in, I would have an intentional foul with no warning attached.

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[Freddy]

I'm going up with an open hand, closing down on the discussion and signaling a held ball on this one.
I like the rules-based defenses of both sides of this discussion. And I'm happy it's such an obscure play that it won't happen often, leading to inconsistency of enforcement from crew to crew in any certain area. The one good thing about it is that, for anyone taking the time and effort to investigate the actions and issues and related side-issues, it grants a very thorough review of the principles involved in other plays that indeed happen more frequently that we gotta get right every time.
Thanx for the diligent and dynamic discussion everyone!