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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1035594)

NFHS Rules do not automatically classify Taunting as a FTF but it is at least a TF.

4-18: Fighting is a flagrant act and can occur when the ball is dead or live.
Fighting includes, but is not limited to combative acts such as:
ART. 1 An attempt to strike, punch or kick by using a fist, hands, arms,
legs or feet regardless of whether contact is made.
ART. 2 An attempt to instigate a fight by committing an unsporting act
that causes a person to retaliate by fighting.

Sidebar question: "Retaliate by fighting". Must the retaliation be physical, or can it be a retaliatory taunt, to be considered part of a fight?

10-4-6 A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to,
acts or conduct such as:
a. Disrespectfully addressing or contacting an official or gesturing in
such a manner as to indicate resentment.
b. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.
c. Baiting or taunting an opponent.
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended
or designed to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under any
circumstances.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is correct (for a change), by NFHS rule, the taunt only becomes part of a fight if there is retaliation.

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1035594)

... even he did not know the MichiganHSAA rule.

I'm sure that some states are better than others, but many states that add "rules" not in the NFHS rulebook fail to understand the ramifications and unintended consequences of such additions.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1035585)

Good point. Whatever happened to The_Rookie?

Does he plan to return to the Forum with a followup post?

Maybe his computer crashed?

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I am backkkkkk...thanks for missing me Billy Mac;)

I think the distinction I was looking for was Flagrant Technical and Flagrant Personal foul and who can shoot the FT and where is the ball put in play. I did not make that clear at all in the OP:confused:

Welcome Back, And Yes I Missed You ...

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1035598)

I think the distinction I was looking for was Flagrant Technical and Flagrant Personal foul and who can shoot the FT and where is the ball put in play.

Looking back, I think that I almost get it now.

The question is about personal fouls versus technical fouls, live ball and dead ball intentional fouls, not about different types of technical fouls (flagrant for fighting versus flagrant for something else).

It may take two to Tango, it only takes one to fight.

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1035598)

T -- anyone can shoot; the throw-in is at the division line opposite the table.

P -- the player fouled must shoot; the throw-in is at the spot closest to the foul.