test question

[zac]

I'm having trouble finding the rule in the book concerning these questions:
#64 If A1 and B1 create a held-ball situation before the possession arrow is set to begin the game, substitute A6 may enter to replace A1.
#65 It is permissible to withdraw a player before the clock properly starts following his or her substitution into the game.
Thanks for your help!!

[JRutledge]

#64 If A1 and B1 create a held-ball situation before the possession arrow is set to begin the game, substitute A6 may enter to replace A1

False. I could not find any play in the casebook that allowed a substitution for a player that is mandated by rule to jump the ball, which A1 is required to do by rule in this situation. I would assume the same logic as if A1 had to shoot a FT. A6 would not be allowed to sub for A1 unless he/she is was injured. Do not see why this is any different.

#65 It is permissible to withdraw a player before the clock properly starts following his or her substitution into the game.

False.

Peace

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by zac
#64 If A1 and B1 create a held-ball situation before the possession arrow is set to begin the game, substitute A6 may enter to replace A1.

I think that this would only be true if A1 were injured. If A1 is required by rule to jump, then I don't think s/he can sub out, but I can't find a definitive rule on that.

#65 It is permissible to withdraw a player before the clock properly starts following his or her substitution into the game.

This is true. There is sometimes confusion b/c if a player has subbed out of the game, then it is not legal for that same player to sub back into the game until the clock has properly started (3-3-4). But a player who comes into the game, may be subbed out at the next dead ball, even if the clock never started.

Hope that helps.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I think that this would only be true if A1 were injured. If A1 is required by rule to jump, then I don't think s/he can sub out, but I can't find a definitive rule on that.

Hmmmm! Lemmee see now!

A1 and B1 jump to start the game. One of them legally taps the ball , the clock starts, and the ball now simultaneously goes off of the hands of non-jumpers A2 and B2, and then goes OOB.A2 and B2 will now re-jump, without the possession arrow being set. Why can't a sub now come in for A1?

Or do you rule that A2 and B2 created the held-ball situation,instead of A1 and B1? If you do,it should still be legal to substitute for any of the other 8 players on the floor, except for A2 and B2.

Comments?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Hmmmm! Lemmee see now!

A1 and B1 jump to start the game. One of them legally taps the ball , the clock starts, and the ball now simultaneously goes off of the hands of non-jumpers A2 and B2, and then goes OOB.A2 and B2 will now re-jump, without the possession arrow being set. Why can't a sub now come in for A1?

Or do you rule that A2 and B2 created the held-ball situation,instead of A1 and B1? If you do,it should still be legal to substitute for any of the other 8 players on the floor, except for A2 and B2.

Comments?

You're joking, right? Too many penguins in your office?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by JRutledge
#64 If A1 and B1 create a held-ball situation before the possession arrow is set to begin the game, substitute A6 may enter to replace A1

False. I could not find any play in the casebook that allowed a substitution for a player that is mandated by rule to jump the ball, which A1 is required to do by rule in this situation.

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I think that this would only be true if A1 were injured. If A1 is required by rule to jump, then I don't think s/he can sub out, but I can't find a definitive rule on that.

The reference is 3-3-2

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by bob jenkins
The reference is 3-3-2

LOL, you'd think that I would've seen it, since I had to reference 3-3-4 in my initial response. Duh!! Thanks again, Bob!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Hmmmm! Lemmee see now!

A1 and B1 jump to start the game. One of them legally taps the ball , the clock starts, and the ball now simultaneously goes off of the hands of non-jumpers A2 and B2, and then goes OOB.A2 and B2 will now re-jump, without the possession arrow being set. Why can't a sub now come in for A1?

Apples and oranges, no? Your sitch is fine. The original is not legal. You knew that, obviously. One of us has missed the point; and with my track record lately, I'm pretty sure I know which of us it was.