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JRutledge Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:10am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 1031350)
Without a rule/case citation I'm not sure here. Are timeouts granted when they are requested or when the whistle is blown?

Yes, but with an off-ball play, the official has to go by when the whistle is blown to some extent.

For me, this is very close. I see why the call was made that way, but I could see if they decided the foul took place before the shot was attempted.

Peace

BillyMac Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:20am

Eyes And Ears ...
 
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031355)
... with an off-ball play, the official has to go by when the whistle is blown to some extent.

Agree. If at least one official doesn't see both the off ball foul and the act of shooting, then the officials would have to utilize their ears instead of their eyes.

deecee Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:31am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1031355)
Yes, but with an off-ball play, the official has to go by when the whistle is blown to some extent.

For me, this is very close. I see why the call was made that way, but I could see if they decided the foul took place before the shot was attempted.

Peace

I don't see this as very close. By the time he starts to shoot the screener was on his rear sliding by the shooter. That implies the foul has already occurred.

JRutledge Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:51am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 1031357)
I don't see this as very close. By the time he starts to shoot the screener was on his rear sliding by the shooter. That implies the foul has already occurred.

OK. We all have an opinion.

Peace

youngump Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:35am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1031356)
Agree. If at least one official doesn't see both the off ball foul and the act of shooting, then the officials would have to utilize their ears instead of their eyes.

But couldn't the calling official come in and say, I had a really late whistle on that so if it was close, we should rule that the foul happened first?
In baseball/softball on a timing play the field umpire will yell tag to help the plate umpire no whether to count the run. If for some reason that was delayed or early, I'd expect that information to be offered, and I can think of no reason that wouldn't be the case here.

JRutledge Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:39am

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 1031362)
But couldn't the calling official come in and say, I had a really late whistle on that so if it was close, we should rule that the foul happened first?
In baseball/softball on a timing play the field umpire will yell tag to help the plate umpire no whether to count the run. If for some reason that was delayed or early, I'd expect that information to be offered, and I can think of no reason that wouldn't be the case here.

Baseball/Softball are totally different than basketball. And you would determine where what came first by being in the position to see a tag and if it came before a run counted. There is no whistle or line of demarcation.

Peace

bob jenkins Thu Mar 21, 2019 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 1031362)
In baseball/softball on a timing play the field umpire will yell tag to help the plate umpire no whether to count the run.

First, it's a "time play," not a "timing play." Second, that "yelling" bit is no longer taught at higher levels -- and hasn't been for more-than-a-few-years.

youngump Thu Mar 21, 2019 02:12pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1031367)
First, it's a "time play," not a "timing play." Second, that "yelling" bit is no longer taught at higher levels -- and hasn't been for more-than-a-few-years.

Fair enough for baseball; not so for softball.


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