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The fact the call was so late on the foul is also very questionable. The official doesn't even start to react to the foul until the Florida player who was fouled has his hands on the floor to break his fall. The whistle is even later. This is a play the NCAA needs to allow to be reviewed no mater what point of the game the situation occurs. |
I saw this play and wanted to see what you guys thought about the timing of it all. I had almost this exact play this year, except the foul was definitely during the continuous motion. I didn't actually call it. I was Lead and my partner at Trail called the foul on the defense as an offensive player was shooting a three pointer. He came to me before he reported anything to make sure he should count the basket, which we did. The coach from the defensive team could not understand how a basket could count since the foul happened before the shot was released.
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Nearly the identical play from the NCAAW Case book:
A.R. 22. A1 sets a legal screen for teammate A2, who has the ball. B1, in trying to defend the shot, pushes through the screen of A1. When the illegal contact occurs, A2 has not started her trying motion, but when the official blows the whistle A2’s trying motion has started. She continues her trying motion and the ball enters the basket. RULING: The goal by A2 is scored because when the whistle sounded, A2 was in the act of shooting and continuous motion applies. If Team A is not in the bonus, Team A will be awarded the ball for a throw-in at the out of bounds spot nearest to where the foul occurred. If Team A is in the bonus, A1 will be awarded two free throws. Note: The only reference in the rules book to when a "foul occurs" is when the game clock reads zeroes at the end of a period and the officials are using a courtside monitor to determine whether the illegal contact (foul) occurred before the reading of zeroes on the game clock. Otherwise, the whistle normally blows so close to when the foul occurs that there is not enough of a separation to determine a difference. By rule, the whistle is sounded when a foul occurs and the ball becomes dead when the whistle sounds, unless at the time the whistle is sounded a try is in flight or continuous motion applies. (Rule 2-7.2, 6-5.1.f, 6-6.1, 6-6.2 and 11-3.1.a.3) |
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This above is true for NCAA (as was the original post). Would the ruling be different for NFHS? NFHS BASKETBALL RULES FUNDAMENTALS 16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead). |
The foul away from the ball was SO MUCH earlier than the user started his shot. I don't think it's even close.
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In a more general sense, the clock stopping, and the ball becoming dead, may not be at the same exact time in many circumstances, and may not be at the same time as the whistle. 5-8: Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official: ART. 1 Signals: a. A foul. d. A time-out. ART. 3 Grants and signals a player’s/head coach’s oral or visual request for a time-out … 6-7: The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when: ART. 4 A player-control or team-control foul occurs. ART. 5 An official’s whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below). ART. 7 A foul, other than player-control or team-control, occurs (see exceptions a, b and c below). EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when: c. Article 7 occurs by any opponent of a player who has started a try or tap for goal (is in the act of shooting) before the foul occurred, provided time did not expire before the ball was in flight. The trying motion must be continuous and begins after the ball comes to rest in the player’s hand(s) on a try or touches the hand(s) on a tap, and is completed when the ball is clearly in flight. The trying motion may include arm, foot or body movements used by the player when throwing the ball at his/her basket. NFHS Basketball Rules Fundamentals 16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead). |
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