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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 09:39am
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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 09:48am
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Was Creen upset with the foul call or with his player for fouling?

As for the stuffed animal being thrown onto the court during the FTA....play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Nice job, UGA fan. SMH.
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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 09:58am
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Was Creen upset with the foul call or with his player for fouling?
Not sure with that guy. I first thought he was upset at the call, but clearly, it was a foul.

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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 10:07am
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Applicable NCAA-Men's Case Plays

A.R. 261. Who is responsible for behavior of spectators?

RULING: The home management or game committee is responsible for the behavior of spectators. The officials may call an administrative
technical foul on either team when its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game. Such technical fouls
do not count as team fouls.
(Rule 10-2.8)

A.R. 262. Team B is the visiting team. Just before the free-thrower B1 releases the ball, B1 is hit by a coin thrown by a spectator.

RULING: When an official has knowledge as to which team’s follower(s) committed the act, he shall assess an administrative technical foul against that team.
(Rule 10-2.8.c Penalty and Note 1)
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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 10:08am
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2.8.1 SITUATION:

What guidelines should be exercised by the officials when spectators' actions are such that they interfere with the administration of the game?

RULING: The rules book states "the official may rule fouls on either team if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game." It is significant to note the word used is "may." This gives permission, but does not in any way imply that officials must rule technical fouls on team followers or supporters for unsporting acts. Thus, while officials do have the authority to penalize a team whose spectators interfere with the proper conduct of the game, this authority must be used with extreme caution and discretion. While the authority is there, the official must rarely use it, because experience has demonstrated that ruling hasty technical fouls on the crowd rarely solves the problem and may, in fact, result in penalizing the wrong team because the official may not have proper knowledge as to which team's supporters were responsible for the unsporting act.
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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 10:41am
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What about the Manchurian Candidate?

Assessing the T requires knowledge of who the perpetrator was and which fan base they were a part of.

Now there are the simple clues. Type of stuffed animal thrown, did it come from the student only section/band section, etc

If they were confident who it was and who they were following fill your boots.

I can just imagine this is not as easily said as done. My least favorite games are ones where fans are behind the tea, benches and I hear chirping and now I have to try to do the job I'm doing an figure out if its the bench or the dad's/kids behind the bench. I'm not suggesting that D1 schools smuggle in fans dressed as opposing team to get a big T in a moment of consequence, but that is the illogical extenstion. I guess I'm not a D1 official so maybe they are better at these things than me as well.
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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 12:40pm
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What about the Manchurian Candidate?

Assessing the T requires knowledge of who the perpetrator was and which fan base they were a part of.

Now there are the simple clues. Type of stuffed animal thrown, did it come from the student only section/band section, etc

If they were confident who it was and who they were following fill your boots.
I agree. That is the big problem in this....being certain to penalize the correct team. If this were to get called on a somewhat regular basis, you'd be assured that we'd regularly see an opposing team fan going into other team's student section and throwing something.
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Old Thu Feb 21, 2019, 11:16am
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Applicable NCAA-Men's Case Plays

A.R. 261. Who is responsible for behavior of spectators?

RULING: The home management or game committee is responsible for the behavior of spectators. The officials may call an administrative
technical foul on either team when its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game. Such technical fouls
do not count as team fouls.
(Rule 10-2.8)

A.R. 262. Team B is the visiting team. Just before the free-thrower B1 releases the ball, B1 is hit by a coin thrown by a spectator.

RULING: When an official has knowledge as to which team’s follower(s) committed the act, he shall assess an administrative technical foul
against that team.
(Rule 10-2.8.c Penalty and Note 1)
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2.8.1 SITUATION:

What guidelines should be exercised by the officials when spectators' actions are such that they interfere with the administration of the game?

RULING: The rules book states "the official may rule fouls on either team if its supporters act in such a way as to interfere with the proper conduct of the game." It is significant to note the word used is "may." This gives permission, but does not in any way imply that officials must rule technical fouls on team followers or supporters for unsporting acts. Thus, while officials do have the authority to penalize a team whose spectators interfere with the proper conduct of the game, this authority must be used with extreme caution and discretion. While the authority is there, the official must rarely use it, because experience has demonstrated that ruling hasty technical fouls on the crowd rarely solves the problem and may, in fact, result in penalizing the wrong team because the official may not have proper knowledge as to which team's supporters were responsible for the unsporting act.

As we can see there is a slight difference between the NCAA Men's (I do not have my NCAA Women's in front of me but I am almost certain that it is the same as the NCAA Men's) and NFHS Rulings.

In NCAA the Officials SHALL access a TF and in NFHS the Officials MAY rule fouls on either team.

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