Back Court violation?
 

Throwing by A1 undrer their basket in the front Court. Deep pass toward the division line. Pass is deflected by B2 then touched by A2 who jumped from front court. Ball then lands in the backcourt. Ball is then recovered by A2. Violation or play on?

No BC
Team Control was not established in the FC

Throwin ...
 

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

Change Up ...
 

Now let's change it up a little.

Situation B: Throwin by A1 on the endline in Team A's frontcourt. Deep throwin pass toward the division line. Throwin pass is deflected by B2 in Team A's frontcourt and then A2, while jumping from Team A's frontcourt, secures control of the ball with both feet off the floor and returns to the floor with both feet in Team A's backcourt. You make the call.

Rules citation please. Specifically that team control has to be established in the front court inbounds. (ie the team control OOB does not count)

Player control has to be established in bounds before you can have any type of backcourt violation.

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Rules citation please. I am in an argument with like 5 different officials that think this is a backcourt. The rules as worded seems to back them.

9-9-3

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Next NFHS Rules Editor ???
 

Nice. Better than what the NFHS offers us in the rulebook, and so simply put.

That is the provision that a backcourt would not count when caught in the air jumping from frontcourt to backcourt. In my situation, this provision ends when B touches the ball, and in Billy Macs play makes it a backcourt violation. This article does not strengthen my argument.

Backcourt Rule ...
 

Article 1 ...
 

Look at Article 1 in previous post.

4.12.2 Sit B

It's directly on point.

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They are arguing that a front court throwin is team control in the front court and that team control continues until one of the 3 criteria, (shot, deadball, turnover).

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Thanks Raymond. That's what I was looking for.

Everyone knows the rules as written are not clear. This has been discussed ad nauseam.

But the NFHS has made it crystal clear that team control during a throw-in (and the period between the end of the throw-in and a player gaining control) is ONLY for foul purposes. You CANNOT have a violation for backcourt, 3 seconds, 10 seconds, etc. until PLAYER CONTROL has been established inbounds, thus creating true team control.

This situation has also been an official interpretation multiple times.

There is no front court or back court status when the ball is out of bounds for a throw-in. There is no front court or back court status until there is player control established inbounds.

That's why in high school basketball you cannot start a 10-second backcourt count when a throw-in pass is deflected into the backcourt until somebody gains player control.

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The Throwin Ended ...
 

Situation B: Correct. Pick a prize from the top shelf.

4-42-5-A: The throw-in ends when: The passed ball touches or is touched by another player inbounds.

9-9-3: During a throw-in a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.

True Team Control ...
 

Nice. Too bad the NFHS doesn't add this to Rule 4 Definitions.

We all know that an ugly caterpillar will one day become a beautiful butterfly.

Maybe an ugly Point of Emphasis will one day become a beautiful rule?

The search feature is your friend
 

it would be if I didn't have to wait 30 seconds between searches.

Do we have a video of the new BC exception play? (ie the catching of the ball by a player int he back court)

Team control during throw in is for foul purposes only. Search the forum. We have been over this 8,000,000,000,000 times. It’s all been explained previously.

It's Possible ...
 

Be careful, we could break the internet.

Too bad all basketball officials, and the NFHS rules editor, don't read the Forum.

You don't....if you use google.

In the google search bar, add site:forum.officiating.com along with whatever other search terms you want and it will search this forum only. You don't have to wait.

BC violation. 9.9.1.Sit D.