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bob jenkins Sat Jan 19, 2019 08:31pm
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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1029035)
Nothing ticks me off more then my partner calling a foul or violation in my area.
My pregame: Call in your area. Call in my area, too.

mattmets Sat Jan 19, 2019 09:45pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1029045)
My pregame: Call in your area. Call in my area, too.
I worked 6 games today in a tournament and after two of them one of my partners (who I've worked with a decent amount) apologized for coming in my area (T) as the C to get some contact I was straightlined or blocked out on. I told him I'm just going to ask if you are sure you got the call right. If you are I won't say another word. I'll only think about getting upset if you come in and take away a good non-call, otherwise we need to just get them right.

SD Referee Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1029035)
Nothing ticks me off more then my partner calling a foul or violation in my area. In high school games if you pull this crap the first time you get a loook, the second you a head shake and the third we are going to have a conversation you will not like at halftime or after the game. I still do youth games and that is a train wreck of officials who call outside their area. I had a partner in lead position call travel at half court one time, I reversed the call and told him to stay the F out of my area before I get mad. I don’t call other areas for 2 reasons, it’s your job and your area and second it looks bad when
Tough guy! You sound like a train wreck of an official!

LRZ Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:40pm
The Third Team?
 
Randa16, even assuming your territoriality is appropriate, your actions (head shaking, reversing a partner's call) can only make the situation worse. Save your anger for the locker room at half-time or post-game, away from the public eye.

Randa16 Tue Jan 22, 2019 09:11am
I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.

Raymond Tue Jan 22, 2019 09:28am
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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1029112)
I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.
Then you might want to move up to a level where you don't have to deal with that.

I'm still trying to envision this unpleasant conversation. Is it a conversation where you berate your partner and he just sits there and takes it?

SD Referee Tue Jan 22, 2019 09:51am
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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1029112)
I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.
No good ref reverses a call like you were talking about. Make you look stupid? How about what you did to your partner?

JRutledge Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:24am
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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1029112)
I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.
Well if you want to move up the ranks, ever, you will deal with "old guys" doing all kinds of things and calling all kinds of things and you better not every act that way towards them or you will have a short career. IJS.

Peace

hamnegger Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:34am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1028778)
I totally agree with most of your comments, I just do not think this is a foul. At least not one that stands out so much that all would agree. There are certainly calls I would suggest should be called even from that position, but this is not one of them IMO.

Peace
I really saw nothing much here either. This would, to me, not fit into the "a must come get".

hamnegger Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1029112)
I have put in years at being a good ref. Do I miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing I need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call I reversed was because he was way out of position, I was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref I am talking about.
1. Only a few missed calls a year? Wow!
2. It is not about us not liking it but you have chosen to flat out violate a rule which states no official has the authority to change another officials ruling. You just took a mistake and compounded it.

AremRed Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:24am
My goal for every game is to be under 1.5 IC's per game and hopefully under 2.5 INC's.

MechanicGuy Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:24am
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Originally Posted by randa16 (Post 1029112)
i have put in years at being a good ref. do i miss calls? Yes a few a year but the last thing i need is some old guy trying to be super ref and not watch his area. The call i reversed was because he was way out of position, i was standing right there, it was a bad call and he is not going to make me look stupid. You all can not like it all you want but you know the kind of ref i am talking about.
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BillyMac Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:02pm
By Whose Count ???
 
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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1029112)
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Randa16 Tue Jan 22, 2019 03:55pm
I do high school games and have done a little community College. I still do youth only because they are always short officials and I am friends with the guys who assigns games and he flips me extra money to cover. . High school no problems 95% of the time. Youth is a train wreck.

Raymond Tue Jan 22, 2019 05:00pm
As long as you do Youth ball you will get "train wreck" partners. And any of those partners old enough to have teenagers of their own aren't going to sit around the locker room (or whatever changing area you have) while you berate them for calling in your area.


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