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BillyMac Thu Jan 10, 2019 05:03pm

Primarily Affects How Foul Penalties Will Be Administered
 
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Originally Posted by thumpferee (Post 1028561)
2017-2018 POE Team control, throw-in.

2011-12 BASKETBALL RULES CHANGES
Several definitions were changed to reflect that team control will now exist during a throw-in when the thrower-in has the ball at his/her disposal. The change primarily affects how foul penalties will be administered.

bucky Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:26pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1028567)
2011-12 BASKETBALL RULES CHANGES
Several definitions were changed to reflect that team control will now exist during a throw-in when the thrower-in has the ball at his/her disposal. The change primarily affects how foul penalties will be administered.

"Primarily" not "solely" so what else does it affect?

Camron Rust Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:13am

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1028571)
"Primarily" not "solely" so what else does it affect?

The flow of questions on discussion forums.

ilyazhito Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:38am

Why not change the NFHS 10-second rule to match NCAA? Both sets of rules both start team control on the throw-in, so why not start the 10-second count on team control inbounds, rather than player control? This would render this entire discussion thread moot, as well as ease the inevitable transition to a high school shot clock.

Camron Rust Fri Jan 11, 2019 02:16am

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Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1028574)
Why not change the NFHS 10-second rule to match NCAA? Both sets of rules both start team control on the throw-in, so why not start the 10-second count on team control inbounds, rather than player control? This would render this entire discussion thread moot, as well as ease the inevitable transition to a high school shot clock.

Not correct. Team control in NFHS, for all but one purpose, starts with player control inbounds....the same time as the 10 count starts. College used to be the same. They changed to make the shot clock administration easier.

ilyazhito Fri Jan 11, 2019 03:15am

DC uses college rules for shot clock, 10 seconds, and closely guarded counts. If NFHS has team control on throw-ins for fouls and timeouts, it wouldn't be a stretch to recognize TC on throw-ins for other purposes (10-second count) as well. Sure, the rule might require re-writing, but it would not have a situation where there both is and isn't team control (TC on throw-in, lost because ball is inbounds, then re-gained by same team by acquiring player control; where TC is not normally lost on loose balls (including passes), and would thus be simpler to administer. If the other team controls the ball after the backcourt throw-in, 10-second count ends. Same team controls, 10-second count continues. The count could be administered visibly, invisibly with the game clock, or invisibly with the shot clock (for states where one exists, or when all states go shot clock).

Raymond Fri Jan 11, 2019 07:12am

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Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1028574)
Why not change the NFHS 10-second rule to match NCAA? Both sets of rules both start team control on the throw-in, so why not start the 10-second count on team control inbounds, rather than player control? This would render this entire discussion thread moot, as well as ease the inevitable transition to a high school shot clock.

Because we don't write the rules, and the people who write the rules don't read this forum.

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BillyMac Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:00am

Even A Caveman Can Do It ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1028560)
https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.U...=0&w=314&h=177

That's Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. on the left, back when he had a full head of hair.

That's Mark T. DeNucci, Jr. (the long haired tree hugging hippie) on the right. He's discussing with his Dad how easy it is to buy GEICO insurance online.

BillyMac Sat Jan 12, 2019 01:32pm

I Feel His Pain ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1028560)

Several weeks ago I spit into a cup and sent it off to 23 And Me for testing.

Turns out that 4% of my DNA is Neanderthal.

Now, like many, I'm highly offended by this television commercial:

https://youtu.be/EYottyI027o

BillyMac Sun Jan 13, 2019 02:23pm

It's True, It's True ...
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1028650)
Several weeks ago I spit into a cup and sent it off to 23 And Me for testing. Turns out that 4% of my DNA is Neanderthal.

Officiating high school basketball. So easy a caveman can do it.

Raymond Sun Jan 13, 2019 04:53pm

3 straight posts quoting yourself. This may be a new record.

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BigCat Sun Jan 13, 2019 05:00pm

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1028710)
3 straight posts quoting yourself. This may be a new record.

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Ha. No it’s not. Billy does hold the record but it’s many more than 3...����

ilyazhito Sun Jan 13, 2019 05:12pm

Yes, and none of the posts relevant to the ostensible topic of this thread. Maybe NFHS addresses the 10-second count in their next rules questionnaire, or adds a comment section to it. I'd put in the suggestions that I posted earlier.

Rich Sun Jan 13, 2019 06:17pm

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Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1028715)
Yes, and none of the posts relevant to the ostensible topic of this thread. Maybe NFHS addresses the 10-second count in their next rules questionnaire, or adds a comment section to it. I'd put in the suggestions that I posted earlier.



What's to address? It's clear, by the current rules.


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JRutledge Sun Jan 13, 2019 06:45pm

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1028710)
3 straight posts quoting yourself. This may be a new record.

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1028712)
Ha. No it’s not. Billy does hold the record but it’s many more than 3...����

Yeah, it is Wednesday for Billy to quote three in a row.

Peace


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