My individual plays - (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually, the signal at the table is the mechanic you describe from an "A to B Foul." This is a college game, not a high school game. This signal is new in the CCA Manual this year. Last year they created a signal to allow the lead to describe a "wall up" legal action. This year they put in a foul signal to suggest when they do not legally "wall up."

Honestly, I wish high school would add some of these signals because they are more descriptive as to what actually happened. Calling a push does not quite do the trick IMO.

Peace

Fair point....it still looks goofy. Perhaps they could have found/defined a better signal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Fair point....it still looks goofy. Perhaps they could have found/defined a better signal.

Well, it can look that way, but describes the actual action better IMO. Just like many college mechanics actually describe the action, unlike the NF mechanics that are bland and we have to give the same signals all the time for things that never describe what actually happened.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Play #8


Peace

[bucky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #8


Peace

I am guessing that you meant Center or Lead. ??

Center takes it as ball came from his PCA and even ended on his half of the paint. I would not expect L to even blow his whistle in this case and if he did, I would expect him to drop his arm immediately after realizing that C had a whistle. This is Center all day.

[JRutledge]

I did mean the Lead and Center (And I fixed it in the updated video).

BTW, so the play happening on the lane would not be the trail's call? I am asking because this is often discussed as to who takes this. Our evaluator even commented about this play and had an opinion. I will share that later if need be.

Peace

[jakeas2]

Wouldn't this be the leads call because it was a secondary defender coming from the paint to challenge that play? Also, I believe NCAA all plays in the lane are the primary of the L, contrary to NFHS where the lane is split.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did mean the Lead and Center (And I fixed it in the updated video).

BTW, so the play happening on the lane would not be the trail's call? I am asking because this is often discussed as to who takes this. Our evaluator even commented about this play and had an opinion. I will share that later if need be.

Peace

I am confused. You corrected the wording to be "Lead or Center" but yet are asking about the Trail. ?? This is nowhere near the Trail.

Anyway, IMO, I still believe it to be C's call. Perhaps it isn't the exact prescribed mechanic but the entire play originates in C's area and the drive is from C's area. I might buy the L whistle more if he was closed down but he is looking through too much traffic IMO.

Play 1: Secondary defender, any official can and should bring info. Grounded secondary.

Play 2: Play on, dribbler puts himself in path of defender who is running down, contact is marginal IMO.

Play 3: Would prefer play on given the pass goes to wide open 3 point shooter. This is where a rulebook foul isn't wrong but there is a better option for the game.

Play 4: If called has to come much sooner. Marginal IMO, offensive player is super close to LDB. Also where the hell is Slot going??

Play 5: Obvious illegal screen, not a fan of the blocking foul signal first. Use that at the table. Not sure what the question/learning point is here, it's an obvious foul.

Play 6: Yes whistle is too late. Either hit earlier and chance giving an and-1 or lay off entirely.

Play 7: Clock should be at 21 or 20 but not a huge miss.

Play 8: Lead. Lead should be more aggressive here and start going to take it.

[Camron Rust]

Play 8....leads call.

It was clearly a secondary defender (really tertiary). The C would have been on the initial defender and probably would have also occupied by the first help defender (thirty something) taking a swipe at the ball from the top side.

The lead had nothing else to take.

Yes, it was slightly across the centerline of the lane, but I don't like to put too much emphasis on that but more on where they balance of players are coming from and going.

[crosscountry55]

Play 8: Preface: I have an opinion, but I don't think this is one to split hairs over, particularly in light of how it was handled.

I think this is L's, because C had a primary defender during the drive that the ball handler beat, leaving him little time to orient to what came next, i.e. the secondary defenders on L's side. That said, C did have an awesome look at the block, and the blocker was coming toward him which made the contact easier to discern.

To me, what's more educational about this play is how it was handled after the call. This was a perfectly ok double whistle. Both officials were awesomely patient with this, and then there was great posting, eye contact, and awareness. If L wants first crack, he's probably going to take it, and when he doesn't, that's a cue to the C that, "I'm not 100% and I was a little late and it came from your primary, so go ahead and take it." And he did. If I were the evaluator I'd be fine with this.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #8


Peace

NCAA Men's mechanics: Secondary defender in the paint, that's Lead's primary. A1 beat B1, then was contested by B2.