To tea or not to tea....

SC Official · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:13pm

Did they put the verbal warning in the book? No reason to give a "stern verbal warning" if you're not going to make it official.

Depending on the tone and gestures he used when saying "Are you kidding me?" (yelling across the court, hands in the air, etc.), there's a chance I would've given him his official warning there. Unlikely to whack him if that's his first offense (we're supposed to warn unless the offense is "major").

If he didn't get his warning there, he would have after continuing on following "We're done here."

I could do without the "D1 rebound" comment from your buddy, but that's just because of my personality. To each his own; the coach still has to behave.

Under any circumstance, he's not getting past "You're awful chippy tonight" without a technical foul.

BillyMac · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:23pm

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I could do without the "D1 rebound" comment

Agree. But sometimes when we're pissed off we say things that we shouldn't. Experienced officials should be able to control that, but sometimes stuff slips out. We're only human.

Oral instead of written warning, and the comment? 99% of this technical foul is on the coach. The conversation initiated by the coach was a series of questions that many of us will often respond to, so that had no impact on the technical foul.

Raymond · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 02:36pm

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Agree. But sometimes when we're pissed off we say things that we shouldn't. Experienced officials should be able to control that, but sometimes stuff slips out. We're only human.
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Exactly. Funny how the tag of "professionalism" is only supposed to apply to officials, but never the adults who have daily direct supervision over our student-athletes.

SC Official · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 02:49pm

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Exactly. Funny how the tag of "professionalism" is only supposed to apply to officials, but never the adults who have daily direct supervision over our student-athletes.

Because "it's an emotional game."

Because "it's for the kids."

BillyMac · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 03:24pm

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Funny how the tag of "professionalism" is only supposed to apply to officials, but never the adults who have daily direct supervision over our student-athletes.

Back in my coaching days, our athletic director used to tell all his coaches that an occasional slip of the tongue, while not acceptable, but understandable, is part of being human, but as a coach, and teacher, it has to only be an occasional slip of the tongue.

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 05:44pm

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Back in my coaching days, our athletic director used to tell all his coaches that an occasional slip of the tongue, while not acceptable, but understandable, is part of being human, but as a coach, and teacher, it has to only be an occasional slip of the tongue.

I do not think anything the officials said was a slip of the tongue.

Peace

BillyMac · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 10:06pm

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I do not think anything the officials said was a slip of the tongue.

Read my post. I was responding to Raymond's post about coaches, I was not referring to officials.

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Funny how the tag of "professionalism" is only supposed to apply to officials, but never the adults who have daily direct supervision over our student-athletes.

Mike51 · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 11, 2018, 12:15am

Here's a situation I faced tonight.
Girls varsity, early second half, I'm the Lead, got a charge call on Home team #22 at the basket. Home bench reacts negatively, assistant coach especially loud. I report the foul, then move to get the ball. (partner bad knees, still on other end of court). The ball had bounced to the home bench and the same assistant had it. I was about 20 feet from him, put out my hands so he could throw the ball to me and he hurled a fastball at me. I made no attempt to catch the ball and T'd him up. He nor the head coach could understand why.
Would any of you had handled it differently?
BTW, this guy is also the Headmaster of the school.

BillyMac · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:33pm

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Under any circumstance, he's not getting past "You're awful chippy tonight" without a technical foul.

My skin is a little thicker, I would have waited for the grade and tape comment, and then the technical foul would come "fast as lightning", with a possible "finger breaker" signal.

(Still got Carl Douglas's Kung Fu Fighting on my mind).

UNIgiantslayers · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:42pm

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My skin is a little thicker, I would have waited for the grade and tape comment, and then the technical foul would come "fast as lightning", with a possible "finger breaker" signal.

(Still got Carl Douglas's Kung Fu Fighting on my mind).

I watched the tape, and it was NOT, in fact, fast as lighting. He let B1 finish her free throw motion, the shot go in, then he blew it dead.

For the record, it was a great call on the push in the back.

JRutledge · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:48pm

I guess I would have to know the history of the coach. I have had similar exchanges and it ends after the warning. I probably would have also not explained that much if the coach is usually a prick on some level.

Overall I do not have an issue with the coach getting a T. The coach made the situation personal after being given an explanation. At some point, shut up already. You got what you act like you wanted. You do not have to agree.

Peace

SC Official · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:51pm

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My skin is a little thicker, I would have waited for the grade and tape comment, and then the technical foul would come "fast as lightning", with a possible "finger breaker" signal.

(Still got Carl Douglas's Kung Fu Fighting on my mind).

Has nothing to do with thin skin. Has everything to do with the fact that he already would have had an official warning if I was on the game (he made a comment immediately after the official telling him "we're done"). And unlike too many officials, when I warn the coach/bench, I am 100% serious that I will follow through.

Raymond · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 02:34pm

After "Are you sure" my response is "you asked a question, I gave you an answer" then I'm distancing myself from the a$$-hole.

Any references to grades or contacting a supervisor are an automatic T, no matter what went on previously in the conversation.

JRutledge · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 10, 2018, 02:57pm

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After "Are you sure" my response is "you asked a question, I gave you an answer" then I'm distancing myself from the a$$-hole.

Any references to grades or contacting a supervisor are an automatic T, no matter what went on previously in the conversation.

That probably would have been my almost exact response. I tell coaches that want to argue about a situation they asked me about, "Why did you ask the question? If you did not want to know the answer, then you should not have asked." Then I walk away.

I am not going to act like I am guilty for answering a question that they feel was reasonable at the time.

Peace

Terrapins Fan · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:51am

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My skin is a little thicker, I would have waited for the grade and tape comment, and then the technical foul would come "fast as lightning", with a possible "finger breaker" signal.

(Still got Carl Douglas's Kung Fu Fighting on my mind).

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