To tea or not to tea....

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

My skin is a little thicker, I would have waited for the grade and tape comment, and then the technical foul would come "fast as lightning", with a possible "finger breaker" signal.

(Still got Carl Douglas's Kung Fu Fighting on my mind).

I wish this site had a "LIKE" Button.

[#olderthanilook]

THIS:

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

1st half, GV game. B coach within 2 min stands up to disagree with an out of bounds call, and yells "Are you kidding me????" My buddy was going to whack him, but partner was standing right there and gave him a stern verbal warning. Later in the half, B1 player pushes A1 in the back on a rebound off a free throw. My buddy gets her for a foul and the following exchange occurs on the FT down at the other end where my buddy is T.
Coach: What did she do wrong there?
Buddy: She pushed her in the back on the rebound.
Coach: Are you sure?
Buddy: Girl started on the block and ended up below the basket because of your player. 100%.
Coach: Are you sure she didn't get out-jumped there?
Buddy: Yep. We're done here.

THEN THIS ----- >>> WHY???? I thought he said "We're done here.".

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Coach: She's a D1 volleyball recruit. She could out jump her.
Buddy: Well that wasn't a D1 rebound.
Coach: You're awful chippy tonight.
Buddy: Coach, if you want to discuss it, I'm happy to but don't think I'm not going to banter when you're arguing a good call on the other end of the court.
Coach: We'll see when your grade comes out for the game and I send this tape to the state.

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

At that point my buddy T's him up.

I really don't understand this part. If I were the coach, I'd likely think your partner was baiting me for continuing to banter after telling me 'we are done'. Then, of all things, he makes the smartalec comment "well, that wasn't a D1 rebound". (I have to admit it's a witty comeback, though).

[CJP]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

My question is this: he probably let it go for too long, but do you have any issue having a conversation with the coach knowing that he's a prick and probably doesn't deserve any of your time?

I don't have an issue interacting with coaches like this guy. He got what he deserved in the end. I think his comments would get worse as the night goes on if he was to be ignored and the outcome would be the same; ending with a "T".

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

...that is the question.

Had a drink with a friend of mine who officiates after his game on Saturday. Here's the situation.

1st half, GV game. B coach within 2 min stands up to disagree with an out of bounds call, and yells "Are you kidding me????" My buddy was going to whack him, but partner was standing right there and gave him a stern verbal warning. Later in the half, B1 player pushes A1 in the back on a rebound off a free throw. My buddy gets her for a foul and the following exchange occurs on the FT down at the other end where my buddy is T.
Coach: What did she do wrong there?
Buddy: She pushed her in the back on the rebound.
Coach: Are you sure?

Are you sure? Yes

Short precise conversations where you can. Having long conversations that end in a T could give a perception that you baited them into it, whether that is true or not. As played out easy T anytime they start talking about what they are going to do in your review or to the state. Assignor/state/association will back you up.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

...that is the question.

Had a drink with a friend of mine who officiates after his game on Saturday. Here's the situation.

1st half, GV game. B coach within 2 min stands up to disagree with an out of bounds call, and yells "Are you kidding me????" My buddy was going to whack him, but partner was standing right there and gave him a stern verbal warning. Later in the half, B1 player pushes A1 in the back on a rebound off a free throw. My buddy gets her for a foul and the following exchange occurs on the FT down at the other end where my buddy is T.
Coach: What did she do wrong there?
Buddy: She pushed her in the back on the rebound.
Coach: Are you sure?
Buddy: Girl started on the block and ended up below the basket because of your player. 100%.
Coach: Are you sure she didn't get out-jumped there?
Buddy: Yep. We're done here.
Coach: She's a D1 volleyball recruit. She could out jump her.
Buddy: Well that wasn't a D1 rebound.
Coach: You're awful chippy tonight.
Buddy: Coach, if you want to discuss it, I'm happy to but don't think I'm not going to banter when you're arguing a good call on the other end of the court.
Coach: We'll see when your grade comes out for the game and I send this tape to the state.

At that point my buddy T's him up. To give some background, the coach is always a prick (I've had him many times), always complaining about good calls, and just doesn't know how to ask a question without being condescending. My buddy has whacked him many times and was trying to have a conversation and avoid a T. He was worked up after the game thinking he shouldn't have let it go on for that long, but I told him it was a conversation during a free throw so I have no problem with it. Also, anytime one of our compadres can get a good jab in at this guy, I fully support it.

My question is this: he probably let it go for too long, but do you have any issue having a conversation with the coach knowing that he's a prick and probably doesn't deserve any of your time?

If he's always a prick, drop the warning on the "Are you kidding me" on the first out of bounds play. Then whack him the next time. Solved. While we always say everyone starts with a clean slate, the truth is that a coach who is famous for being a prick doesn't deserve a long leash.

Prior to the written warning becoming part of the game, I had this EXACT SAME circumstance on an OOB call in the first 30 seconds of the game with a coach who gets whacked at least a dozen times a season. I should've whacked him right then -- he ended up getting one in the second quarter when I was tired of him.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

...

Prior to the written warning becoming part of the game, I had this EXACT SAME circumstance on an OOB call in the first 30 seconds of the game with a coach who gets whacked at least a dozen times a season. I should've whacked him right then -- he ended up getting one in the second quarter when I was tired of him.

When I get that from a coach, it's almost always the first time I'm working in front of them. I always address it with "Coach, are we really going to start this already?" Especially when it's something that happened right in front of the crew and 40-60 feet from the coach.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Raymond

When I get that from a coach, it's almost always the first time I'm working in front of them. I always address it with "Coach, are we really going to start this already?" Especially when it's something that happened right in front of the crew and 40-60 feet from the coach.

Have had this guy many times. It's always a matter of time. When he doesn't get one it's cause the officials let him get away with too much.


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[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

Have had this guy many times. It's always a matter of time. When he doesn't get one it's cause the officials let him get away with too much.

Or he gets officials that use "that's just how he is" to justify ignoring the behavior.

Whenever a partner says this to me, my response is "not tonight he won't be."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

While we always say everyone starts with a clean slate, the truth is that a coach who is famous for being a prick doesn't deserve a long leash.

Our interpreter just discussed the "clean slate" issue at our meeting on Sunday. He discouraged us from "keeping one in our pocket".

Truth is, pregame conversations often include topics of team tendencies and coach tendencies.

Had a young official work his first varsity game for a coach known for being tough on officials a few days ago. He was concerned about this going into the game.

We told him what to expect, the coach has high expectations for officials and let's them know when they may have screwed up, but then he immediately deescalates the situation and starts "coaching" again, especially if he's not ignored, even if it's just a gesture or body language (no long conversations needed) that shows him that you've heard him.

I was only there for the first half of the game, but it played out just like we told him, a few coach comments ("She got fouled"), a few acknowledgments of said comments ("No coach, I had a real good look at it"), no outbursts, no warnings, no technical fouls (nothing even close).

I've been working with this coach for almost four decades and I guarantee that if he thought he was being ignored, things could have escalated. I'm not saying that they would escalate to a technical foul, but he could have come close to crossing some lines in the sand that would require some decisions on the part of the crew.