Nine second rim hang = no call

[bucky]

I am sure most have seen it by now. Lebron James dunked a ball and hung on the rim, with no one around him, for 9 seconds. Yes, he was clearly drawing attention to himself. ESPN timed it and questioned the no call of a technical foul. I wonder if the refs would have acted the same if Alex Caruso had done that? NBA, gotta love it, lol.

[BillyMac]

I've got the videotape:

https://youtu.be/8z8SpgmF0sA

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I've got the videotape:

https://youtu.be/8z8SpgmF0sA

Can I nominate myself for Post O' The Month?

[bucky]

Thanks for keeping us abreast of the situation.

Fast forward to the 1:00 mark.

https://youtu.be/5N2XdRsrMeo

[Altor]

Last two-minute report

00:15.8 Foul: Hanging Technical LeBron James CNC
After the made dunk shot, James (LAL) remains on the rim after the timeout is called and players have cleared the area under the rim. The ball is dead and he is not taunting opponents or delaying the game

[ilyazhito]

This would be illegal in an NFHS or NCAA game, because he continues to hang long after he completes the initial act of the dunk, and there is no injury risk caused to him or others if LeBron lets go. Perhaps the NBA rule is different, but under the codes that most of us work, this play is illegal.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Altor

Last two-minute report

Does "CNC" mean correct no call? I presume that it does. Curious about a couple of items:

1) Do they acknowledge all "CNCs"? Wouldn't there be many within the last two minutes? There are many cases (like several every play) of contact where a foul is not called. I am guessing that they do not so why would they acknowledge this one? (IMO, because everyone questioned it)

2) The provided rational seems illogical. Does their explanation mean that any player can simply grab and hang onto a rim during a dead ball with no one around as long as they are not taunting or delaying the game? I am guessing not. What about say, the backboard? Could they grab the rim, pull up, and climb to the top of the backboard as long as that given criteria is met? Also, guessing not. Could they swing like a pendulum from the net for the duration of the timeout given said criteria is met? Guessing not. Ergo, the explanation is a slap in the face as far as I am concerned. Again, I know it is about money/entertainment/etc. Additionally, hanging on the rim with the same criteria has been called a T hundreds of times. What makes this play different, especially since the hang is so long?


Draymond Green (see below link) does same thing (TO called as he hangs) but gets a Technical. Also, LBJ does it and NBA confirms that it was an incorrect no call. Sooooo, it does not get more contradictory, inconsistent, and hypocritical than that. Unless of course...... something changed between then and now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Wd6vk3--0

[Raymond]

Bueller, Bueller?

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[Jay R]

I've seen players grab the rim and pull themselves up as a pre game routine in the NBA (just before the tip off). If the league wants players to stop doing that I'm sure they'll let them know.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Bueller, Bueller?

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I've checked the NBA Rulebook, and Rule 12-IV-a says that "an offensive player who deliberately hangs on his basket ring, net backboard, or support during the game shall be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul". Thus, if LeBron James (an offensive player) deliberately hangs on his ring, by rule, I am correctly adjudicating the play if I assess him a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul. I don't understand how a player can accidentally hang on his ring for 9 seconds after a dunk attempt.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

NBA Rulebook Rule 12-IV-a says that an offensive player who deliberately hangs on his basket ring, net, backboard, or support during the game shall be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul ...

a) unless it's after a timeout is called.
b) unless players have cleared the area under the rim.
c) unless the ball is dead.
d) unless the player is not taunting opponents.
e) unless the player is not delaying the game.
f) unless the hang time exceeds ten seconds.
g) unless the player is LeBron James.

[ilyazhito]

Hanging to prevent injury is explicitly mentioned as legal in an exception, but none of the other scenarios are listed in the rulebook. Therefore, I could only apply the injury exception, which is not applicable here.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I've checked the NBA Rulebook, and Rule 12-IV-a says that "an offensive player who deliberately hangs on his basket ring, net backboard, or support during the game shall be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul". Thus, if LeBron James (an offensive player) deliberately hangs on his ring, by rule, I am correctly adjudicating the play if I assess him a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul. I don't understand how a player can accidentally hang on his ring for 9 seconds after a dunk attempt.

After the ball went through the net he was no longer an offensive player.

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[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

After the ball went through the net he was no longer an offensive player.

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The next section of Rule 12-IV states that a defensive player may not deliberately hang on the ring, so if LeBron ceased to be an offensive player, then he must have become a defensive player, as his team was no longer in control of the ball, and the other team received the ball at their disposal during the 9 seconds that LeBron James was on the ring (the other team gains control when the ball is at their disposal for the subsequent throw-in). Thus, this loophole doesn't make sense, either. If the NBA can rules lawyer their way out of giving LeBron a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul for hanging on the ring, and use this rules lawyering as justification for their decision not to assess this foul, I can do the same to argue that LeBron should be treated no differently than any other player in the league, and that he should be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul, especially when this technical foul does not lead to an ejection.
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What is the consequence for calling such an infraction, when all that will happen is 1 free throw and the ball being put back at the point of interruption? It's not like HS, where technical fouls are 2 free throws and possession at the division line (a possible 5-point swing).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The next section of Rule 12-IV states that a defensive player may not deliberately hang on the ring, so if LeBron ceased to be an offensive player, then he must have become a defensive player, as his team was no longer in control of the ball, and the other team received the ball at their disposal during the 9 seconds that LeBron James was on the ring (the other team gains control when the ball is at their disposal for the subsequent throw-in). Thus, this loophole doesn't make sense, either. If the NBA can rules lawyer their way out of giving LeBron a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul for hanging on the ring, and use this rules lawyering as justification for their decision not to assess this foul, I can do the same to argue that LeBron should be treated no differently than any other player in the league, and that he should be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul, especially when this technical foul does not lead to an ejection.
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What is the consequence for calling such an infraction, when all that will happen is 1 free throw and the ball being put back at the point of interruption? It's not like HS, where technical fouls are 2 free throws and possession at the division line (a possible 5-point swing).

The ball bounced out towards midcourt and a timeout was called. The ball was never at anybody's disposal. The ball was dead and a timeout was called.

Now find the rule that states an NBA player can't hang on the rim during a dead ball or during intermission or during pregame.

And if you do make it to the NBA that philosophy of officiating you have right there will be squelched or you'll be back to doing college ball after a year.

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