Nine second rim hang = no call

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

During intermissions/timeouts/pre-games, there are no offensive or defensive players.

So, in the original play, it wasn't the dead ball (immediately after the successful goal) that allowed the ring grasp, but it was the immediate timeout that allowed the ring grasp?

So, why did the L2M Report mention dead ball? From the ilyazhito's video it's obvious that a technical foul for a ring grasping can be charged during a dead ball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So, in the original play, it wasn't the dead ball (immediately after the successful goal) that allowed the ring grasp, but it was the immediate timeout that allowed the ring grasp?

So, why did the L2M Report mention dead ball? From the ilyazhito's video it's obvious that a technical foul for a ring grasping can be charged during a dead ball.

In the original play he is allowed to grasp the rim until all players have cleared out beneath him, just like in high school and college basketball. And by the time all players had cleared out the time out was called.

And what rules citation did your buddy post directly from the NBA rule book that said you cannot hang on the rim during a dead ball? Seems like you are selectively reading to further your point. He posted directly from the rulebook when he tried to make a case that an offensive player and the defensive player can't hang on the rim. Please show me his post citing a rule concerning dead balls and hanging on the rim.

I used to defend your buddy, but he's showing that he's more concerned with being right at all costs. I guarantee you he will get cussed out at least one time by an observer at a college camp with that type of attitude.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Please show me his post citing a rule concerning dead balls and hanging on the rim.

While it doesn't show the important timeout exception, his recent NBA rule video seems to say that a technical foul can be charged for excessively grasping the ring during the dead ball immediately following a successful goal.

We're taking the circuitous route, with a lot of mistakes, and dead ends, and it hasn't been an easy path, but we're getting closer to the truth.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While it doesn't show the important timeout exception, his recent NBA rule video seems to say that a technical foul can be charged for excessively grasping the ring during the dead ball immediately following a successful goal.

We're taking the circuitous route, with a lot of mistakes, and dead ends, and it hasn't been an easy path, but we're getting closer to the truth.

He didn't post a video, bucky did. And I'll repeat for the umpteenth time, those videos showed a complete chin up with legs near the rim and parallel to the ground and LeBron violently shaking the rim multiple times. Are you not capable of seeing the difference between those 2 plays and LeBron simply hanging from the rim?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

He didn't post a video, bucky did.

ilyazhito posted the video and just as importantly, the transcript:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Here is a video from the NBA Video Rulebook about hanging on the rim. Technical Foul, player hangs on the rim | NBA Video Rulebook
The transcript says that "Players are not allowed to pull themselves up on the rim, nor are they allowed to hang on the rim following a dunk attempt, unless they are doing so to avoid injury to themselves or another player. The NBA video rulebook does not mention a dead-ball exception, nor can I find one in the PDF version of the rulebook.

From what I learned about NBA ring grasping from this thread, it is my belief that the following would have been more logical and clear L2M Report:

"After the made dunk shot, James (LAL) remains on the rim after the timeout is called. He is not taunting opponents, nor is he delaying the game."

The original references to players clearing the area under the rim and the ball being dead are irrelevant, superfluous, extraneous, not needed, and muck up the rationale for the correct no call, the simple rationale being it was during a timeout, and that there was no taunting, or delay of game. The ball being dead had nothing to do with the correct no call if Raymond is correct in that NBA players are allowed to grasp the ring during pregame, timeouts, intermissions, and post game.