Nine second rim hang = no call

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I've checked the NBA Rulebook, and Rule 12-IV-a says that "an offensive player who deliberately hangs on his basket ring, net backboard, or support during the game shall be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul". Thus, if LeBron James (an offensive player) deliberately hangs on his ring, by rule, I am correctly adjudicating the play if I assess him a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul. I don't understand how a player can accidentally hang on his ring for 9 seconds after a dunk attempt.

After the ball went through the net he was no longer an offensive player.

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[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

After the ball went through the net he was no longer an offensive player.

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The next section of Rule 12-IV states that a defensive player may not deliberately hang on the ring, so if LeBron ceased to be an offensive player, then he must have become a defensive player, as his team was no longer in control of the ball, and the other team received the ball at their disposal during the 9 seconds that LeBron James was on the ring (the other team gains control when the ball is at their disposal for the subsequent throw-in). Thus, this loophole doesn't make sense, either. If the NBA can rules lawyer their way out of giving LeBron a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul for hanging on the ring, and use this rules lawyering as justification for their decision not to assess this foul, I can do the same to argue that LeBron should be treated no differently than any other player in the league, and that he should be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul, especially when this technical foul does not lead to an ejection.
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What is the consequence for calling such an infraction, when all that will happen is 1 free throw and the ball being put back at the point of interruption? It's not like HS, where technical fouls are 2 free throws and possession at the division line (a possible 5-point swing).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The next section of Rule 12-IV states that a defensive player may not deliberately hang on the ring, so if LeBron ceased to be an offensive player, then he must have become a defensive player, as his team was no longer in control of the ball, and the other team received the ball at their disposal during the 9 seconds that LeBron James was on the ring (the other team gains control when the ball is at their disposal for the subsequent throw-in). Thus, this loophole doesn't make sense, either. If the NBA can rules lawyer their way out of giving LeBron a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul for hanging on the ring, and use this rules lawyering as justification for their decision not to assess this foul, I can do the same to argue that LeBron should be treated no differently than any other player in the league, and that he should be assessed a non-unsportsmanlike technical foul, especially when this technical foul does not lead to an ejection.
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What is the consequence for calling such an infraction, when all that will happen is 1 free throw and the ball being put back at the point of interruption? It's not like HS, where technical fouls are 2 free throws and possession at the division line (a possible 5-point swing).

The ball bounced out towards midcourt and a timeout was called. The ball was never at anybody's disposal. The ball was dead and a timeout was called.

Now find the rule that states an NBA player can't hang on the rim during a dead ball or during intermission or during pregame.

And if you do make it to the NBA that philosophy of officiating you have right there will be squelched or you'll be back to doing college ball after a year.

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[ilyazhito]

Well, Joe DeRosa went backwards and was successful in both the NBA and at the D1 level. Was there a reason that he went backwards after 22 years?

Unless a player is injured, bleeding, or loses a contact lens/glasses, timeout can only be called by a player or head coach of the team in control. How could timeout have been called if the ball was bouncing around to midcourt in nobody's possession?

My head explodes at the thought that dead ball = not during the game. According to the NFHS and NCAA rulebooks, during the game is any time from the initial jump ball to when the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area, including dead ball periods, when the officials have jurisdiction. Unless the NBA has a radically different definition of during the game, I'm not buying what the L2M said. (Head exploding)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Well, Joe DeRosa went backwards and was successful in both the NBA and at the D1 level. Was there a reason that he went backwards after 22 years?

Unless a player is injured, bleeding, or loses a contact lens/glasses, timeout can only be called by a player or head coach of the team in control. How could timeout have been called if the ball was bouncing around to midcourt in nobody's possession?

My head explodes at the thought that dead ball = not during the game. According to the NFHS and NCAA rulebooks, during the game is any time from the initial jump ball to when the officials leave the visual confines of the playing area, including dead ball periods, when the officials have jurisdiction. Unless the NBA has a radically different definition of during the game, I'm not buying what the L2M said. (Head exploding)

So now you are telling us that after a made basket you have never seen the opponent call an immediate time out? Seriously? You are going to F' up a game with this "I know better" mentality you currently have.

How about you watch the video and see the play before bestowing your wisdom? LeBron dunked the ball, the ball hit his leg and bounced almost to the division line, and while this was happening the Atlanta Hawks called a time-out.

Also, no cares if your buying or not buying the L2M report, other than it shows that you are on course to the "yeah but" guy.

And I'm still waiting for Bucky to produce this conflicting L2M report he was talking about.

[SC Official]

A classic "yeah, but" official. Bet you're a joy to clinicians at camps.