Disregarding the rules.

[mick]

Game last night. JV Girls.

Frustrated Team V coach wants a time out because her team is in another place.
No signal for length.
"Coach, you want a full?"
"I don't care!"
"Coach, you want a full."


H ballhandler gets knocked down. Gets up slowly. 1-1 Bonus.
"Do you want to shoot?"
"Yes, but then I need a sub."
"You know, if you mss it's a live ball?"
"Yes, I know."
(clank and home gets rebound)
H coach, "Time out!" (for apparent sub, but no signal)
"Coach, you want a 30."
"Uh, yes, ...a 30."

...And that is the rule I disregarded last evening. But, I retained my presence.

mick

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... And which rules will you disregard tomorrow?

[stan-MI]

Ignored the rule on a "blarge" last week.

4th quarter, V up by 20+ on the road. 3-man crew. I'm the T on a drive from C that results in a crash at the block on C's side. Double whistle. C has a charge, L has a block.

Rather than explain that both fouls needed to be assessed, followed by an alternating possession throw in, I let them try to sort it out. I was just too frustrated and tired to step in, as these guys for 3+ quarters had been making middle school calls in a game between pretty good varsity teams. Plus, the call would have no effect on the game's outcome.

They decided it was a block, much to the surprise of coach V, who had seen the charge signal from C but not the block from L. She chuckled when her player went to the line.

In hindsight, I should have stepped in, taught my partners the rule, and explained the situation to the coaches.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by stan-MI

They decided it was a block, much to the surprise of coach V, who had seen the charge signal from C but not the block from L. She chuckled when her player went to the line.

In hindsight, I should have stepped in, taught my partners the rule, and explained the situation to the coaches.

If one member of the crew looks bad,the whole crew will look bad.

[oc]

Originally posted by stan-MI


I was just too frustrated and tired to step in, as these guys for 3+ quarters had been making middle school calls in a game between pretty good varsity teams.

--can you expand on that?

[Jay R]

Mick,

I don't get it. Which rule did you ignore? Keep in mind that I do not use Federation rules.

[mick]

Originally posted by Jay R
Mick,

I don't get it. Which rule did you ignore? Keep in mind that I do not use Federation rules.

Jay R,

"If no indication is made for a 30-second time-out, then a 60-second time-out shall be charged."

mick

[stan-MI]

Originally posted by oc

--can you expand on that?

These guys didn't officiate advantage/disadvantage. In their minds, contact = foul. We had 60+ fouls in a game between two well-coached teams from big schools. The game had no flow, and after a while, I didn't have any more answers when the coaches asked me, "Stan, what the (heck) was that?" on some of the mystery calls.

[Jay R]

Originally posted by mick

Jay R,

"If no indication is made for a 30-second time-out, then a 60-second time-out shall be charged."

mick

Thanks

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by stan-MI
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These guys didn't officiate advantage/disadvantage. In their minds, contact = foul. We had 60+ fouls in a game between two well-coached teams from big schools. The game had no flow, and after a while, I didn't have any more answers when the coaches asked me, "Stan, what the (heck) was that?" on some of the mystery calls.

[/B][/QUOTE]When you get into these situations, I don't think that you should really try to supply answers. The most that I would ever say to a coach would be something like "Coach,he had a good view of it. If you have a question, ask him later". Personally,I try to keep away from the benches when they want to discuss my partners. That way I don't have to hear something that I don't wanna hear. I don't care how bad the call was,if the coach insults my partner,demeans him in any way ,or goes over my personal line in any way, then I'm gonna nail him. I think that the best thing you can do when you're stuck in a situation like this is just stay stone-faced and never do anything that would suggest that you might agree with a coach that your partners are screwing up.There's nothing the matter with admitting that you might have blown a call, but the guy that blew the call should be the only official on the floor doing that admitting.

JMO.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
"Coach,he had a good view of it. If you have a question, ask him later".

My line is "Coach, I honestly wasn't looking there. I'm sure he won't mind if you ask him/her, though." Seems to work, and interestingly, they ususally forget about the play and don't ask anyway.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

My line is "Coach, I honestly wasn't looking there. I'm sure he won't mind if you ask him/her, though." Seems to work, and interestingly, they ususally forget about the play and don't ask anyway.

"A rose by any other name...."

[mick]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

"A rose by any other name...."

...long stemmed, or not.

[stan-MI]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

My line is "Coach, I honestly wasn't looking there. I'm sure he won't mind if you ask him/her, though." Seems to work, and interestingly, they ususally forget about the play and don't ask anyway.

You can use these lines once, maybe twice, per game. I never sell out my partners, but you cannot defend or continually play dumb when coaches ask you to explain a partner's bad call. After a while, all you can do is let the coach vent. You don't want too much of that, either, so as JR suggested, I kept away from the benches and refused to even make eye contact with the coaches when my partners blew their whistle. I just rotated quickly and administered the penalties or got out of the way.

[mick]

Originally posted by stan-MI

You can use these lines once, maybe twice, per game. I never sell out my partners, but you cannot defend or continually play dumb when coaches ask you to explain a bad call. All you can do is let the coach vent. You don't want too much of that, either, so JR suggested, I kept away from the benches and refused to even make eye contact with the coaches when my "partners" blew their whistle. I just rotated quickly and administered the penalties or got out of the way.

Good call, stan.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by mick
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"A rose by any other name...."

[/B][/QUOTE]
...long stemmed, or not.

[/B][/QUOTE]Uh oh,Chuck. Mick just made one of those "short" jokes. Next time you see him, bite his ankle!