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You know my reference was a case play (dots, not dashes), right?
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4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating?
RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or request a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b) |
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Technically speaking 4-44-3b can also lead to an exception to the concept that player must be holding the ball in order to travel.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal. Scenario: Player jumps to shoot, realizing his shot will be blocked simply drops the ball. He then lands. His feet have returned to the floor before the ball has been released on a pass or try for goal. This attempt to circumvent the rules is a travel. |
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The foot movement that makes it a travel occurred when the player was holding the ball.....the jump. The player lifted the pivot foot while holding the ball and then started a dribble.
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I mean sure, but by that logic 4-44-5b (the exception noted earlier) is only a travel because the player had been holding the ball first.
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The difference is that every other case involves some foot movement while holding the ball. The stand-up case doesn't.
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4.44.3 SITUATION A: A1 jumps to try for goal. B1 also jumps and: (a) slaps the ball out of A1’s hands; (b) touches the ball but does not prevent A1 from releasing the ball; (c) touches the ball and A1 returns to the floor holding the ball; or (d) touches the ball and A1 drops it to the floor and touches it first after it bounces . RULING: In (a) and (b), the ball remains live. In (c), a traveling violation. In (d), a violation for starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor. Since the touching did not prevent the pass or try in (b), (c) and (d), the ball remains live and subsequent action is covered by rules which apply to the situation. If so, in all of these the situation is a defender contacting the ball. The situation I described was a player dropping the ball on his own. |
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Rulebook defines a pass as: A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player. If a player jumps for a shot, second guesses it for whatever reason and drops the ball I don't see any way one could deem that a 'throw, bat or roll' to another player. Perhaps if it occurs with a teammate so near the shooter that he is able to immediately pick up the loose ball I'd consider not blowing it, but I've never seen that occur. Granted, I've only seen the drop ball scenario happen once in 7 years too. |
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