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bucky Fri Feb 09, 2018 03:23pm
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1016684)
The words "moving screen" as a phrase does not show up in the case or rule books
While this may be technically true, there are definitely words/phrases that describe a moving screener, screener that is moving, screening a moving opponent, etc.

bucky Fri Feb 09, 2018 03:26pm
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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 1016687)
True....but rule 4-40-2 says the screener must be stationary, and 10-7-11 says it's a foul if a player does not adhere to the rules of screening found in 4-40. So....would not 'moving' be a reasonable opposite of 'stationary'? Non-stationary sounds a bit stilted, no?

Seems to me that "moving screen" is a perfectly reasonable phrase to use for a foul, as a common description to why this particular illegal screen is illegal.
That is only part of establishing a legal screen. Simply continue reading section 40. There are other articles.

#olderthanilook Fri Feb 09, 2018 03:26pm
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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 1016687)
True....but rule 4-40-2 says the screener must be stationary, and 10-7-11 says it's a foul if a player does not adhere to the rules of screening found in 4-40. So....would not 'moving' be a reasonable opposite of 'stationary'? Non-stationary sounds a bit stilted, no?

Seems to me that "moving screen" is a perfectly reasonable phrase to use for a foul.
I prefer to use the word (and show) "block" then punch the other way to describe illegal contact by A2 resulting from an attempt to screen opponent B1, for instance.

Perhaps I'm wrong?

SNIPERBBB Fri Feb 09, 2018 03:29pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 1016687)
True....but rule 4-40-2 says the screener must be stationary, and 10-7-11 says it's a foul if a player does not adhere to the rules of screening found in 4-40. So....would not 'moving' be a reasonable opposite of 'stationary'? Non-stationary sounds a bit stilted, no?

Seems to me that "moving screen" is a perfectly reasonable phrase to use for a foul, as a common description to why this particular illegal screen is illegal.
A screener may be moving if he/she is moving the same direction as the defender.

UNIgiantslayers Fri Feb 09, 2018 03:37pm
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1016690)
I prefer to use the word (and show) "block" then punch the other way to describe illegal contact by A2 resulting from an attempt to screen opponent B1, for instance.

Perhaps I'm wrong?
We've been told to show block and punch.

bob jenkins Fri Feb 09, 2018 03:40pm
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Originally Posted by Umonblue (Post 1016671)
So if an offensive player moves late in front of a defensive player (to set a pick) and makes that defensive player stop or go around him without contact then there's no call? No Violation for an Illegal/Moving screen? Reason I ask I saw this in a college basketball game and called as a violation...that crew must have called it wrong then.
I find it unlikely that a college crew called a "moving screen violation."

bucky Fri Feb 09, 2018 03:42pm
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1016691)
A screener may be moving if he/she is moving the same direction as the defender.
Getting warmer... same direction and path.

nolanjj68 Fri Feb 09, 2018 03:52pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1016681)
Nolan:

I think you need to re-read NFHS R-S40-A4 again before you make that statement. I don't have my NCAA Men's and Women's Rules Books in front of me but they have the same Definition as the NFHS Rules have.

MTD, Sr.
Oh I did before I made the post. It's not there.

Jay R Fri Feb 09, 2018 04:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Umonblue (Post 1016670)
So if an offensive player moves late in front of a defensive player (to set a pick) and makes that defensive player stop or go around him without contact then there's no call? No Violation for an Illegal/Moving screen? Reason I ask I saw this in a college basketball game and called as a violation...that crew must have called it wrong then.
What you may witnessed is a screen set out of bounds. In that case, it is a violation and there does not need to be contact.

bob jenkins Fri Feb 09, 2018 04:59pm
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Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 1016703)
What you may witnessed is a screen set out of bounds. In that case, it is a violation and there does not need to be contact.
Reference, please.

Jay R Fri Feb 09, 2018 05:38pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1016704)
Reference, please.
My bad. Looked in the rule book and could not find it. I thought the NCAA had a similar to the NBA.

The NCAA rule book says that a screen must be set inbounds for it to be legal. Does that mean that a screen set OOB is ruled a foul?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Feb 09, 2018 07:29pm
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Originally Posted by nolanjj68 (Post 1016698)
Oh I did before I made the post. It's not there.

I typed the wrong Rule reference. It should have read: R4-S40-A6, not R4-S40-S4.

I corrected my original post.

MTD, Sr.

A Pennsylvania Coach Fri Feb 09, 2018 07:49pm
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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 1016687)
True....but rule 4-40-2 says the screener must be stationary, and 10-7-11 says it's a foul if a player does not adhere to the rules of screening found in 4-40. So....would not 'moving' be a reasonable opposite of 'stationary'? Non-stationary sounds a bit stilted, no?

Seems to me that "moving screen" is a perfectly reasonable phrase to use for a foul, as a common description to why this particular illegal screen is illegal.
I'll concede "moving" is a reasonable antonym of "stationary". However, without contact, there is no "screen". Thus "moving screen" is still invalid in this context, and only serves to confuse people into thinking that moving while attempting to screen without contact is against the rules.

bob jenkins Fri Feb 09, 2018 08:38pm
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Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 1016706)
My bad. Looked in the rule book and could not find it. I thought the NCAA had a similar to the NBA.

The NCAA rule book says that a screen must be set inbounds for it to be legal. Does that mean that a screen set OOB is ruled a foul?
Yes, if there's contact that creates an advantage (similar to how you'd call a screen that's "too wide").

FED does not have that language, but it should.

BillyMac Fri Feb 09, 2018 09:33pm
From The List ...
 
A moving screen is not in and of itself a foul; illegal contact must occur for a foul to be called. If a blind screen is set on a stationary defender, the defender must be given one normal step to change direction, and attempt to avoid contact. If a screen is set on a moving defender, the defender gets a minimum of one step, and a maximum of two steps, depending on the speed, and distance of the defender.


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