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Raymond Thu Jan 25, 2018 09:51am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1015488)
I can't stand when table people try to tell you how to run the game.

I'll whistle in a sub and the scorer will argue the sub didn't quite get to the X and try to force the sub back.


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I had a table the other night that was telling us about the opponents having their waistbands rolled down....SMH

frezer11 Thu Jan 25, 2018 09:51am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1015488)
I can't stand when table people try to tell you how to run the game.

I'll whistle in a sub and the scorer will argue the sub didn't quite get to the X and try to force the sub back.


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Ugh... We have someone like that here too, same as you described. She also has it set in her head that it is the referee's job to physically change the arrow at the table at halftime. Won't even touch it.

Rich Thu Jan 25, 2018 09:54am
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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 1015493)
Ugh... We have someone like that here too, same as you described. She also has it set in her head that it is the referee's job to physically change the arrow at the table at halftime. Won't even touch it.


Doesn't take long for me to fix that.

"When I beckon, they're in."

Many tables are so slow you rarely even get a horn before you've already whistled the person in.


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sdoebler Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:23am
I miss spoke

Scrapper1 Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:34am
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Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1015507)
This is not correct, if the offensive team commits a team control foul before the throw in ends the arrow does change.
Dude, seriously. Listen to what people are trying to tell you. The arrow only changes under two conditions:

1) When the AP throw-in is completed.
2) When the throw-in team violates.

That's it. That's the list.

Foul = NO ARROW CHANGE.

Edited to add citation: Rule 6-4-5

sdoebler Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1015508)
Dude, seriously. Listen to what people are trying to tell you. The arrow only changes under two conditions:

1) When the AP throw-in is completed.
2) When the throw-in team violates.

That's it. That's the list.

Foul = NO ARROW CHANGE.

Edited to add citation: Rule 6-4-5
You are correct my mistake

Camron Rust Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:34am
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Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 1015451)
The only way I can imagine that the defense could violate on a throw in is by a kicked ball. There probably are other ways, but may be even less common.
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1015473)
Hit the ball with a fist.
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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 1015477)
Going out of bounds to avoid a screen.
+Excessive elbow swinging.

frezer11 Thu Jan 25, 2018 01:05pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1015521)
+Excessive elbow swinging.
There is no rule requiring this violation to be only called on the ball handler, but have you ever seen or called it on anyone who was not in possession of the ball? I can't think of a reason to be swinging your arms without the ball.

Raymond Thu Jan 25, 2018 01:30pm
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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 1015540)
There is no rule requiring this violation to be only called on the ball handler, but have you ever seen or called it on anyone who was not in possession of the ball? I can't think of a reason to be swinging your arms without the ball.
Player feels like his opponent is holding him/her and swings their elbow to get free.

JRutledge Thu Jan 25, 2018 03:10pm
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1015543)
Player feels like his opponent is holding him/her and swings their elbow to get free.
Rebounding this can happen as well.

Peace

Beaverfan Thu Jan 25, 2018 03:20pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1015508)
Dude, seriously. Listen to what people are trying to tell you. The arrow only changes under two conditions:

1) When the AP throw-in is completed.
2) When the throw-in team violates.

That's it. That's the list.

Foul = NO ARROW CHANGE.

Edited to add citation: Rule 6-4-5
OP here. Thanks. Guess i got away with one. Is there a free place online to read the NFHS rule book, so i can look up rules?

UNIgiantslayers Thu Jan 25, 2018 03:21pm
2015-2016. A few changes since then.

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/d..._Rule_Book.pdf

#olderthanilook Thu Jan 25, 2018 03:34pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1015488)
I can't stand when table people try to tell you how to run the game.

I'll whistle in a sub and the scorer will argue the sub didn't quite get to the X and try to force the sub back.


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Seems like there is always that one or two games per season where the official scorer gives you that "What the....? Are you sure?" look when I've reported a color and number for a foul, followed by the "look around" while they croon their neck trying to find that player to make sure they are on the floor before recording the foul.

Super annoying. There's been a time or two I want to smack 'em upside the head for it. :D

crosscountry55 Thu Jan 25, 2018 04:04pm
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1015554)
Seems like there is always that one or two games per season where the official scorer gives you that "What the....? Are you sure?" look when I've reported a color and number for a foul, followed by the "look around" while they croon their neck trying to find that player to make sure they are on the floor before recording the foul.

Super annoying. There's been a time or two I want to smack 'em upside the head for it. :D
Well, yeah, but more often the table saves my bacon and reminds me of a mistake I still have time to correct (most often reporting an incorrect number/player). So I'll take the bad with the good.

UNIgiantslayers Thu Jan 25, 2018 04:05pm
I've had a couple this year that are visibly disagreeing with calls or shaking their heads about fouls on the home team.


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