Arrow ?

[Jqb12]

OK, the ball is supposed to go to the BLUE team on an alternating possession throw in. The official screws up, hands the ball to the white team who throws it in and ends the throw in. The arrow is then switched to the WHITE team upon completion of that throw in. After the 1st dead ball occurs, the officials realize their mistake. Does the arrow stay with the WHITE team or go back to BLUE?
Also, can you stop the game during Live play if you realize that the wrong team has the ball, or do you have to wait for a dead ball?
Thanks

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Jqb12

OK, the ball is supposed to go to the BLUE team on an alternating possession throw in. The official screws up, hands the ball to the white team who throws it in and ends the throw in. The arrow is then switched to the WHITE team upon completion of that throw in. After the 1st dead ball occurs, the officials realize their mistake. Does the arrow stay with the WHITE team or go back to BLUE?
Also, can you stop the game during Live play if you realize that the wrong team has the ball, or do you have to wait for a dead ball?
Thanks

Keep the arrow with white. In equity, it would be unfair to give it to blue twice. I suppose we have the authority to stop the game at any time, but once the ball is live, it's too late to fix. So if you did stop play, you would need to give it back to the team in control, POI.

EDIT: I misread this, the arrow should stay with Blue, so that White doesn't get 2 throw-ins back-to-back

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Keep the arrow with white. In equity, it would be unfair to give it to blue twice. I suppose we have the authority to stop the game at any time, but once the ball is live, it's too late to fix. So if you did stop play, you would need to give it back to the team in control, POI.

Why would white get two AP's in a row? If I am understanding the OP, should have been blue, given to white. The next arrow should be blue IMO.

While this is not one of the 5 correctable errors, if I have that "oh crap" moment within a short duration of the ball being put into play and in the right scenario I might be tempted to kill the clock and get it right.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Why would white get two AP's in a row? If I am understanding the OP, should have been blue, given to white. The next arrow should be blue IMO.

While this is not one of the 5 correctable errors, if I have that "oh crap" moment within a short duration of the ball being put into play and in the right scenario I might be tempted to kill the clock and get it right.

You're right, I misread that.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by packersowner

While this is not one of the 5 correctable errors, if I have that "oh crap" moment within a short duration of the ball being put into play and in the right scenario I might be tempted to kill the clock and get it right.

It is always a wise choice to make up your own rules as you go along.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

And remember, when the Blue HC complains about your screw up, just remind him that he is going to get two of the next three AP Arrows.

MTD, Sr.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Why would white get two AP's in a row? If I am understanding the OP, should have been blue, given to white. The next arrow should be blue IMO.

While this is not one of the 5 correctable errors, if I have that "oh crap" moment within a short duration of the ball being put into play and in the right scenario I might be tempted to kill the clock and get it right.

Pack,

So what if the coach knows the rule ???? Are you going to
BS him or tell him the truth that you screwed up and move on...I can't stop play on this on....I'm all for "managing" games but to set a rule aside because we screwed up is
just wrong......IMO

[Paintguru]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Why would white get two AP's in a row? If I am understanding the OP, should have been blue, given to white. The next arrow should be blue IMO.

While this is not one of the 5 correctable errors, if I have that "oh crap" moment within a short duration of the ball being put into play and in the right scenario I might be tempted to kill the clock and get it right.

Or White will conveniently commit a traveling violation if I realize the issue quick enough. Then go fix the arrow.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Paintguru

Or White will conveniently commit a traveling violation if I realize the issue quick enough. Then go fix the arrow.

So you'll take away the possession from White and give it to Blue, and then on top of that Blue will have the next AP arrow. That's a lot of overcompensation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jqb12

OK, the ball is supposed to go to the BLUE team on an alternating possession throw in. The official screws up, hands the ball to the white team who throws it in and ends the throw in. The arrow is then switched to the WHITE team upon completion of that throw in. After the 1st dead ball occurs, the officials realize their mistake. Does the arrow stay with the WHITE team or go back to BLUE?
Also, can you stop the game during Live play if you realize that the wrong team has the ball, or do you have to wait for a dead ball?
Thanks

You must realize it before the throw-in ends. And, blue will get the next AP throw-in (if the error is not recognized in time).

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Pack,

So what if the coach knows the rule ???? Are you going to
BS him or tell him the truth that you screwed up and move on...I can't stop play on this on....I'm all for "managing" games but to set a rule aside because we screwed up is
just wrong......IMO

What are you going to tell the other coach? You're wrong either way. I wouldn't do it 20 seconds into the next play. And to your point, it does come down to managing games.

[walt]

"Coach it was our mistake and it is too late to fix it. You will get the next AP possession." Once we start making up our own rules and interpretations, we are headed down a bad path. As for the quick travel scenario and the like, that is not game management. That is game manipulation. Mistakes happen and when they do, we have to own it and try to make it the only one that happens.

[packersowner]

On a related note, how many of you put something in your pocket to keep track on your own ? I’ve never really tried this, I try to ensure to get eyes on the arrow whenever we have a AP situation. I’ve had a number of partners who are using their spare whistle for step counter for this purpose.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by packersowner

On a related note, how many of you put something in your pocket to keep track on your own ? I’ve never really tried this, I try to ensure to get eyes on the arrow whenever we have a AP situation. I’ve had a number of partners who are using their spare whistle for step counter for this purpose.

BillyMac will tell you it's all-but-required in CT.

I can see doing it if you are a newer official (especially if you work 5 Frosh girls games on a Saturday where you will have dozens of held balls). But, if you are only working a V game or two in a day, you should be able to remember who got the tip and each held ball in the game. At that level, I think it looks bad to see the switch.

[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

BillyMac will tell you it's all-but-required in CT.

I can see doing it if you are a newer official (especially if you work 5 Frosh girls games on a Saturday where you will have dozens of held balls). But, if you are only working a V game or two in a day, you should be able to remember who got the tip and each held ball in the game. At that level, I think it looks bad to see the switch.

I found a great tip on this forum to avoid having to switch whistles from pockets, or rubber bands on your wrist. Use the button on your back pocket - open or closed.