Made basket/throw in
 

A1 makes a basket. B1 gets both feet out of bounds. Reaches to grab a bouncing ball(bouncing waste high) in front of him. When he tries to grab it he knocks it into court right to A1 who is 3 feet away. B1 never "possessed" the ball. Tried to but he was looking more where he was going to pass it. Kids freeze for a moment. What would you do at that moment? Blow whistle and give it back to B1 or nothing....or something else.

I would probably blow it dead and reset, kind of like you would if you made a crappy bounce to a thrower who then muffed it. Innocent mishap.

The would-be thrower never truly had disposal. I’d be good with a reset here.


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Disposal ...
 

4-4-7-d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is: Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.

Was the count started? That's the key.

Of course, this brings us back to the circular argument.

When is the ball at the disposal of the player? When the official starts his count.

When does the official start his count? When the ball is at the disposal of the player.

Go figure.

If A1 was trying to grab the ball, that wouldn't be a throwin. Blow the whistle and restart. If A1 was trying to bat the ball to a teammate but failed, I'd count that as a throwin...play on.

Well said Camron, and you only used two sentences, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

Suppose A1 is holding the ball and it slips out of his hands onto the Court. Not yet trying to pass to a teammate. You've started your count already. That isn't a "pass" into Court either. What would you do? Thx

Play on. But, this is a different scenario from the OP.

Agree. If A1 releases the ball and it goes into the court, it is a throw-in, maybe a bad one, but a throw-in.

Yes, he does possess it in this second example. Why does that matter under rules? In the original OP the player is completely out of bounds. Count started, player touches ball giving it OB status, fumbles it 3 feet forward into Court. Because he's in a hurry to throw it in to open teammate.

The key is that control by the thrower is not necessary for a legal throw-in. Therefore it's all about judging the intent of the player. If he is trying to grab the ball and fumbles it, he's entitled to go and pick it up just like any other fumble, whether he was out of bounds or not. If he has control, then fumbles, it's all on him. And lastly, if he tries to tap the ball toward a teammate and it goes astray, that's all on him, too.

Yes, I agree control is not necessary for a legal throw in. Let me ask you, if the player does possess the ball and fumbles it into the Court, would u blow it dead and give it back to him? I would not even though he wasn't intending to throw ball in. So I'm not sure how much intent plays into it. Thx

no

The ball is that disposal of the thrower-in when the official judges it to be so. And when he so judges, then he begins his count. There is no circular reasoning to this.

The count is the visual indicator of the official's judgement.

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The original scenario you did not say the count had started.

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Practical Advice ...
 

Agree in practice, but that's not what the written rule states.

4-4-7-d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is: Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.

Without a count, there is no disposal.