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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 11:46am
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Not correct. The real issue is when is there a "change of possession."
The time limit for correcting a correctable error is:
2-10 ART. 2
In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official no later than during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.

After a made basket, the ball is dead until at the disposal for the next throw in. So after a made basket, the error must be discovered before the next throw in begins. There can be a change in possession, as long as there is no dead ball.
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 12:17pm
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The time limit for correcting a correctable error is:
2-10 ART. 2
In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official no later than during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.

After a made basket, the ball is dead until at the disposal for the next throw in. So after a made basket, the error must be discovered before the next throw in begins. There can be a change in possession, as long as there is no dead ball.
Yes, I know that. But how you correct the error can depend on change of possession
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 01:28pm
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2-10-6 always applies to CE's. To break it down...

All CE's resume play at the POI when it was correctly recognized, except for when there is a change in possession and the CE requires free throws to be attempted.

With no change in possession, play resumes from the free throws.

With a change, shoot the free throws with no players along the lane, then you resume play at the POI, which in this case would be FT's by B.
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:10pm
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2-10-6 always applies to CE's. To break it down...

All CE's resume play at the POI when it was correctly recognized, except for when there is a change in possession and the CE requires free throws to be attempted.

With no change in possession, play resumes from the free throws.

With a change, shoot the free throws with no players along the lane, then you resume play at the POI, which in this case would be FT's by B.
And, so the issue in the OP is "does the foul by A constitute a change in possession?" Since a held ball can constitute a change (see 2.10.1F (?), I would say that a foul does, too.
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 02:27pm
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I'd hate to imagine the cluster that would result if it would not be considered a change in possession.
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 03:53pm
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I'd hate to imagine the cluster that would result if it would not be considered a change in possession.
Many CEs result in a cluster, even when they are administered correctly (well, correctly after the initial screw up)
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Old Wed Dec 20, 2017, 08:10pm
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Many CEs result in a cluster, even when they are administered correctly (well, correctly after the initial screw up)
Which results in some officials not adhering to the rules and instead doing what they believe is fair because they don't want the home team to get an unfair advantage.
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Old Thu Dec 21, 2017, 08:35am
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2-10-6 always applies to CE's. To break it down...

All CE's resume play at the POI when it was correctly recognized, except for when there is a change in possession and the CE requires free throws to be attempted.
Sorry if my brain is foggy this morning, but shouldn't the above say that all CE's resume play at the POI when it was correctly recognized, except for when there is NO change in possession and the CE requires FTs to be attempted?
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Old Thu Dec 21, 2017, 09:37am
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Yes, there should of been a "no" there.
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Old Thu Dec 21, 2017, 09:52am
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Change of Possession

What constitutes a change of possession is not always obvious. We discussed this casebook play last year or two years.

2.10.1 SITUATION A: A1 is fouled and entitled to two free throws under the double-bonus rule, however, the officials indicate a one-and-one bonus situation. The first attempt is unsuccessful; B4 rebounds the ball and passes it up to B2. The error is discovered with B2 in possession of the live ball near mid-court.
RULING: The error is discovered within the correctable error timeframe, and shall be corrected. Team B securing the rebound and passing to a teammate constitutes no change in team possession. Therefore, A1 will receive the merited free throw with players on the lane and play resumes from the free throw. (2-10-1a)
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