End of Wisconsin/WKU

[CallMeMrRef]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

I don't have my rule book handy but there is a line in screens that says if the screener is in legal position to screen and the player does not see the screen and runs into the screener the contact can be severe and should be a no call.

The severe language is in the NHFS book, the NCAA language only refers to inadvertent contact, which shall be incidental. IMO the defenders visual field is directly ahead at the thrower-in. He did not see the defender, his contact was inadvertent, therefore incidental - no call.

The NCAA book does not define visual field - but refers to it as blind. If the player didn't see it cause his eyes were fixed on the thrower, it was blind to him.

If this screen happened on the playing court, what happened? The screener set a screen which separated his defender from his teammate. The screen was successful and the screened defender did not do anything wrong. Play on.

Lastly, we usually call the foul on the defender being screened when we can determine that he peaked at the screen and decided to plow through it anyway. I don't see that as the case in this play.

Anytime a coach sets up a play to trick the officials, there should be skepticism

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

Anytime a coach sets up a play to trick the officials, there should be skepticism

Say what? How is a screen to give the player doing the throw in an unimpeded long pass for a desperation shot designed to trick the officials?

[CallMeMrRef]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Say what? How is a screen to give the player doing the throw in an unimpeded long pass for a desperation shot designed to trick the officials?

The screener took the contact will full intention of going to the floor. He was more like taking a charge to get a call than trying to free up the thrower in. If he really wanted to have that play set up as an effective screen he would have braced and held his ground, which certainly would have been a no call

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

Anytime a coach sets up a play to trick the officials, there should be skepticism

I agree.

This wasn't that, though.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

The NCAA book does not define visual field - but refers to it as blind. If the player didn't see it cause his eyes were fixed on the thrower, it was blind to him.

That is not what a blind screen is.

Blind is about what could/should be seeable, not what the defender actually sees. Blind screens are screens set directly behind the opponent where even looking both left and right it wouldn't be seen.

[jeremy341a]

The defender is moving and doesn't even get one full step from when the screen is set to contact. It is hard for me to see that as enough time and distance to avoid.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

The defender is moving and doesn't even get one full step from when the screen is set to contact. It is hard for me to see that as enough time and distance to avoid.

The time and distance logic is flawed here. The offensive player is transitioning from offense to defense and just stops in their path. There is no way in heck the time and distance logic is meant to be applied here, nor do I think it should.

this would mean that an offensive player would have to keep running to "avoid" any collision with the defense and puts ALL the onus on the offensive player.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

The time and distance logic is flawed here. The offensive player is transitioning from offense to defense and just stops in their path. There is no way in heck the time and distance logic is meant to be applied here, nor do I think it should.

this would mean that an offensive player would have to keep running to "avoid" any collision with the defense and puts ALL the onus on the offensive player.

I think you thought you were replying to the other thread with a different screen situation (NCAAW with Texas vs Tennessee, https://forum.officiating.com/basket...l-screens.html)

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think you thought you were replying to the other thread with a different screen situation (NCAAW with Texas vs Tennessee, https://forum.officiating.com/basket...l-screens.html)

you are 100% right. too many similar topics.

[Spence]

WKU head coach says he received a call from the Big Ten saying the call was incorrect and that the official was fined and suspended. Is it normal for the conference to call a non-conference school?