Please clear this up.
 

NFHS case book, page 26. 4.14.1 Situation D
This exact scenario has an entirely different ruling than the older case book.
A1 is fouled by B1 while team A is in dbl bonus. In frustration, A1 pushes B1 after the ball becomes dead. A1 is assesses a tech foul. A1 makes both free throws for the personal foul on B1. B3 is ready to attempt the FT for the tech foul by A1. The official scorer notifies the official that the tech foul on A1 was his/hers fifth.
How do you rule?
Thanks, Jeff

I'd rule that A1 isn't DQ'd until the officials are notified (and then notify the coach), so those FTs count.

But, if they've changed the ruling, ...

Well if the officials have been told that A1 is disqualified, then they are removed and the sub is the only person that can shoot the FT.

This is not a correctable error and the points stand if A1 is still shooting the FTs and the officials were never informed of his/her disqualification or they improperly not removed from the game.

BTW Bob, the ruling is the same as it has always been. Nothing has changed in the casebook or the NF Ruling.

Peace

I don't think the case play has ever been different than that.

Casebook from 2014-15 (page 29)has a different ruling than the 17-18 book (page 26). The 2014-15 book is ruling it a correctable error. The wrong player shooting the FT's. Cancel the shots and put the replacement in the game to shoot the throws. A bit confusing?

I am not sure what that rulebook says, but the current ones have this as not a correctable error. And I believe if it was that way, it was a correction. Again, I do not remember it ever being different in the end.

But that is the old rulebook, so who cares. Last year I know that was the same case play that stated what we just said.

Peace

OK, so the reasoning behind this is........it’s not considered an “error” because there is no way an official would’ve known that the foul was the kids 5th. Am I thinking this through correctly?

It does not fit the situations in 2-10. It is that simple.

Peace

What Rut said, plus a player isn't DQ's until we are notified. A player can technically accumulate more than 5 personal fouls and remain in the game.

“It just doesn’t fit 2-10” is a bit vague. It says “Permitting the wrong player to attempt a free throw”. Isn’t that exactly what’ going on?
But I’m getting it........the DQ player explanation does help.

Not quite. The wrong player would be...#42 has 2 FT's coming, however #3 shoots them. #42 is the one entitled and must shoot the FT's. So leave the DQ'd part out for now.

This is a wrong player shooting the FT's.

In the case of a DQ - ONLY the DQ'd player's substitute can shoot the FT's. However a player isn't DQ'd until notified and until notified that player is just like any of the other players on the court, subject to the same rules.

No, because it was determined some time ago that this is not fit the CR rule. He/she is not the wrong player, they are still a player until they are informed that they have been disqualified. The same would happen if a player with 5 fouls is discovered to actually have 5 fouls a minute later of play. You do not take off their points, they are still a legal player until they are told they are disqualified. Rule 2-14-2 clearly says that a player is officially disqualified and becomes bench personnel when the coach is notified. Well, if they are never notified, they are still a player.

It is more than one rule at play here.

Peace

Wow, the original poster is correct about the old ruling. I just looked it up. It says it's a correctable error. You wipe out A1's FTs, bring in A6 to re-shoot them, and allow any B team member to attempt the technical FTs.

WOW! How did that sneak by everybody???

Was it corrected at the time as a mistake?

Peace

From the interps sticky on this page:

Page 29, 4.14.1D SITUATION, RULING Correction: Officials notify the Team A coach of the disqualification and allow a substitute for A1. The points made by A1 will stand. B3 is allowed to shoot the free throws for the technical foul and Team B is given the ball at half court to continue the game. (4-14-2; 2-11-5 Note)