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Camron Rust Thu Aug 17, 2017 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1008771)
Stop obsessing

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120 posts to get to that?

BillyMac Sat Aug 19, 2017 09:29am

Idiom Of The Day ...
 
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1008782)
120 posts to get to that?

... and that's all she wrote.

Bad Zebra Sun Aug 20, 2017 08:28am

How can you tell it's the off-season?
 
When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating :D:D:D:D:D

BillyMac Sun Aug 20, 2017 09:29am

Perfect Storm ...
 
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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 1008811)
How can you tell it's the off-season? When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating

Agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1008682)
... it's the offseason and we have a perfect storm for a long thread, with as many questions as answers.


BigT Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:42am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 1008811)
When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating :D:D:D:D:D

Its called the off season...

BillyMac Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:10pm

Live Ball Only ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1008683)
What exactly do you want from us, we are not the NFHS?

You're right Raymond. Now we finally have it directly from the horse's mouth (below).

From the IAABO Sportorials November/December 2017 issue, article entitled Rules Interpretations and Clarifications from NFHS In-Person Meeting (with Theresia Wynns, NFHS Basketball Rules Editor):

More than five players on the court not observed by officials:
- If Team A has more than five players on the court during a live
ball and the officials do not realize it, should the officials charge
Team A with a technical foul if the scorer notifies officials of the
infraction during the next dead ball period? Answer: No. An
on-court official must observe the excess number of players on
the court
during a live ball and a team having more than five
players on the court during a live ball shall be penalized only if
the infraction is discovered while being violated.


An interpretation directly from from Ms. Wynns, the NFHS Grand Poobah, should put this issue to rest. Right?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Oct 28, 2017 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1010737)
You're right Raymond. Now we finally have it directly from the horse's mouth (below).

From the IAABO Sportorials November/December 2017 issue, article entitled Rules Interpretations and Clarifications from NFHS In-Person Meeting (with Theresia Wynns, NFHS Basketball Rules Editor):

More than five players on the court not observed by officials:
- If Team A has more than five players on the court during a live
ball and the officials do not realize it, should the officials charge
Team A with a technical foul if the scorer notifies officials of the
infraction during the next dead ball period? Answer: No. An
on-court official must observe the excess number of players on
the court
during a live ball and a team having more than five
players on the court during a live ball shall be penalized only if
the infraction is discovered while being violated.


An interpretation directly from from Ms. Wynns, the NFHS Grand Poobah, should put this issue to rest. Right?


Yes.

MTD, Sr.

BigCat Sat Oct 28, 2017 04:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1010737)
You're right Raymond. Now we finally have it directly from the horse's mouth (below).

From the IAABO Sportorials November/December 2017 issue, article entitled Rules Interpretations and Clarifications from NFHS In-Person Meeting (with Theresia Wynns, NFHS Basketball Rules Editor):

More than five players on the court not observed by officials:
- If Team A has more than five players on the court during a live
ball and the officials do not realize it, should the officials charge
Team A with a technical foul if the scorer notifies officials of the
infraction during the next dead ball period? Answer: No. An
on-court official must observe the excess number of players on
the court
during a live ball and a team having more than five
players on the court during a live ball shall be penalized only if
the infraction is discovered while being violated.


An interpretation directly from from Ms. Wynns, the NFHS Grand Poobah, should put this issue to rest. Right?

If I can deduce(big word) that there were 6 on floor without taking scorer word for it I will penalize. I do not have to see it while ball is "live." Example, 6 on floor and we are oblivious. Horn sounded. Ball dead(no shot in air) if I see 6 I at that moment I will penalize. I don't think I have to discover it "while ball live." But I have to know personally that there were 6 while ball was live.

BryanV21 Sat Oct 28, 2017 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1010741)
If I can deduce(big word) that there were 6 on floor without taking scorer word for it I will penalize. I do not have to see it while ball is "live." Example, 6 on floor and we are oblivious. Horn sounded. Ball dead(no shot in air) if I see 6 I at that moment I will penalize. I don't think I have to discover it "while ball live." But I have to know personally that there were 6 while ball was live.

I don't have the book in front of me, but doesn't it say it has to be discovered while the ball is live? Not if you have definite knowledge.

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Nevadaref Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:18am

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1010741)
If I can deduce(big word) that there were 6 on floor without taking scorer word for it I will penalize. I do not have to see it while ball is "live." Example, 6 on floor and we are oblivious. Horn sounded. Ball dead(no shot in air) if I see 6 I at that moment I will penalize. I don't think I have to discover it "while ball live." But I have to know personally that there were 6 while ball was live.

This is called not following the rules and making up your own. :(

BigCat Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:25am

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1010742)
I don't have the book in front of me, but doesn't it say it has to be discovered while the ball is live? Not if you have definite knowledge.

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It says team technical for having more than 5 players participating simultaneously. Down further, "penalized if discovered while being violated." The interpretation billy put up said an official had to observe while the ball is live.

Hopefully, it never happens to any of us but...say you have 6 players on the court for one team and the horn sounds because the officials are clueless. Officials kill the play (ball becomes dead) officials then see 6 on the court. They know nobody ran onto the floor after the ball was dead....and they're 6 players from one team still out there. You can figure out 6 participated simultaneously without taking anybody's word for it because.... they are still there. I would penalize.

Again, hope it never happens. Just quibbling with Billy's interpretation. Moral- count players

BigCat Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:33am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1010746)
This is called not following the rules and making up your own. :(

I suppose it might be but in this limited situation when 6 are still standing there id probably still penalize. I just wont let it happen...so i dont have to...

BryanV21 Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:42am

I think BigCat is seeing the intention of the rule, but the wording is bad and can be interpreted how BillyMac is saying.

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BillyMac Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:49am

When E. F. Hutton Talks, People Listen ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1010747)
Billy's interpretation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1010749)
BillyMac is saying

Whoa. Hold onto your horses cowboys. BillyMac isn't saying anything. Theresia Wynns, the NFHS Basketball Rules Editor, who has oodles of gravitas, is the one doing the talking.

BillyMac Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:52am

Jinx ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1010737)
An interpretation directly from from Ms. Wynns, the NFHS Grand Poobah, should put this issue to rest. Right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1010739)
Yes.

We can only hope.


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