Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 1002710)

I wouldn't recommend the philosophy for most people. I am at the point in my career where a poor evaluation in a HS game is pretty meaningless to me. I will still get my 70 college games and 10-12 HS varsity games if I want them. And I wouldn't exactly call it cheating, there was just a higher threshold for that particular player on what was considered incidental contact.

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 1002708)

In one of the few varsity HS games I did this past season, there was a player who yelled "and one" every time he shot the ball, whether or not there was contact, and if there was contact, he was already yelling before said contact. I think some of these idiots just get into the habit and cannot help themselves. I told my partners no matter how hard that kid gets hit, I would not be calling a foul in his favor on any play he said "and one." After a few plays that were being called fouls in every other situation, his coach finally asked why we were not calling fouls when that player was fouled. I told him about the "and one" He said he would take care of it, and he talked to the player. Unfortunately for the player, he couldn't break the habit. He got banged up pretty good, but never got a foul called in his favor the entire game and the coach never said another word about it. Most likely he was tired of hearing it all season as well.

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 1002714)

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't throw out my integrity just to make a point. This is horrible.

Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 1002718)

Is this a true story that actually happened? I feel like this is a parable trying to make a point, but if this actually happened, I'm shocked. How are you getting 70+ college games by employing this integrity? If him yelling "And 1" bothers you, T him up, but call the game correctly. That sets a poor example for your partners, and an AWFUL perception of officials in general from those watching, whether they be coaches/players, fans, current officials, potential future officials, and not to mention evaluators.

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 1002724)

Have you ever had a game with a player whose role is to be a game disrupter? I imagine you have, and I also bet you called marginal fouls against him that you most likely would not have called against other players that weren't game disrupters, just to get the problem player back on the bench ASAP. If not, good for you, you are the guy with impeccable integrity.

Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1002716)

Would you do the same thing in one of your college games?

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 1002727)

Nope, and it wouldn't happen in any of my college games. At that level, the coach would take care of it before it became an issue. Do players say that at that level, they sure do, but not on every shot, because they know how pissed their coach would be at them for getting a technical foul for something so stupid.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 1002728)

Starting to suspect you don't have the resume you're laying claim to. Went to a conference tourney just last week and one of the players had this EXACT habit. Coach didn't put a stop to it. Interestingly, the referees still managed to do their jobs.

(And this is certainly not the first time I've seen a college player calling "And One" after any contact whatsoever).

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 1002729)

Add another person to the list of whose perception is meaningless.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 1002730)

Thanks for the advice, but I already did. As have several others here.