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I am tired of hearing the players yelling "And One". Most of the time even when they are not fouled.
So my new rule is, a Technical foul every time a player yells "And One".
NO WARNING. They will learn fast.
LOL :D :rolleyes: ;)

I agree, I'll vote for this rule change. I can't think of many things more annoying than "and one!"

What about a somewhat emphatic "ball don't lie!"? IOW, official calls a foul that results in FTs and offender disagrees. FT is missed and offender notifies the official, in a way, that his call was incorrect by exclaiming "ball don't lie".

I called that a tech this year in men's league. Would call it in HS for sure, maybe in college depending how loud it was.

Personally I find "that's a reach" or "he's reaching ref" much more annoying.

No you wouldn't. ;)

Exactly.

I had some joker say that this year. If he had gestured in my direction or pointed at me.....maybe. Otherwise, it's troubling trouble....and looking for a reason to not work.

I actually worked a JUCO game where an official gave a T for this. I would never do that for just this comment, I just say back to them, "And none." Usually gives me a laugh and we move on.

Peace

I agree... and propose we add to football a 15 yard USC penalty any time a player jumps up from not catching the ball pleading for interference making the interference signal or pretending to toss his flag in the air.

In one of the few varsity HS games I did this past season, there was a player who yelled "and one" every time he shot the ball, whether or not there was contact, and if there was contact, he was already yelling before said contact. I think some of these idiots just get into the habit and cannot help themselves. I told my partners no matter how hard that kid gets hit, I would not be calling a foul in his favor on any play he said "and one." After a few plays that were being called fouls in every other situation, his coach finally asked why we were not calling fouls when that player was fouled. I told him about the "and one" He said he would take care of it, and he talked to the player. Unfortunately for the player, he couldn't break the habit. He got banged up pretty good, but never got a foul called in his favor the entire game and the coach never said another word about it. Most likely he was tired of hearing it all season as well.

I get trying to make a point ... but intentionally calling the game poorly is not going to go well for you in the future. You should call all games fairly, as if you were being evaluated from the stands, regardless of what kid annoys you with habits like this.

I can see the evaluation afterward. "John, by my count you missed at least 15 shooting fouls, all against one team. They lost by 6. If they make half the free throws you took away from them, they win. Are you biased against that team for some reason?" "But sir, ... he said, 'And one' and it annoyed me, so I cheated against him". Which then leads to a future of 8th grade C games the rest of your career.

I wouldn't recommend the philosophy for most people. I am at the point in my career where a poor evaluation in a HS game is pretty meaningless to me. I will still get my 70 college games and 10-12 HS varsity games if I want them. And I wouldn't exactly call it cheating, there was just a higher threshold for that particular player on what was considered incidental contact.

What is this "football" of which you speak? :D

It also depends on the location. When you work for a dozen assigners / leagues, you can afford to lose one or two.

That is pretty weak. You cant not call the game right just because a kid is annoying. If you dont care about the game, let other officials who dont get many games work them. Refereeing is about the game and the kids. If you dont do it right then its a disservice.
If they truly are not fouls, that is one thing but if he gets hit, call the foul. If I were working with you and you said you are not calling a foul no matter how hard he gets hit, we would have words in the locker room after.

Would you do the same thing in one of your college games?

I love this thread.

I don't mind when a player yells "and one" if he has indeed been fouled, like in celebration, so long as it's not toward an opponent or in an unsportsmanlike manner. But when he does it looking for a call, that's when he's toeing the line.

I also agree with the football angle, though I don't ref football.

Is this a true story that actually happened? I feel like this is a parable trying to make a point, but if this actually happened, I'm shocked. How are you getting 70+ college games by employing this integrity? If him yelling "And 1" bothers you, T him up, but call the game correctly. That sets a poor example for your partners, and an AWFUL perception of officials in general from those watching, whether they be coaches/players, fans, current officials, potential future officials, and not to mention evaluators.

Have you ever had a game with a player whose role is to be a game disrupter? I imagine you have, and I also bet you called marginal fouls against him that you most likely would not have called against other players that weren't game disrupters, just to get the problem player back on the bench ASAP. If not, good for you, you are the guy with impeccable integrity.

Again, not worried about the perception of any of the people you mentioned, especially coaches, players, and fans. Most of them already have an awful perception of officials to begin with.

Sir, you're digging your hole deeper.

It's disturbing that your post previous to this one basically says, "I've done this long enough and do upper level games ... so it's OK that I insert myself into the game and punish a kid that bugs me."

Please. For the good of the game, either cut this crap out or hang em up.

Nope, and it wouldn't happen in any of my college games. At that level, the coach would take care of it before it became an issue. Do players say that at that level, they sure do, but not on every shot, because they know how pissed their coach would be at them for getting a technical foul for something so stupid.

Starting to suspect you don't have the resume you're laying claim to. Went to a conference tourney just last week and one of the players had this EXACT habit. Coach didn't put a stop to it. Interestingly, the referees still managed to do their jobs.

(And this is certainly not the first time I've seen a college player calling "And One" after any contact whatsoever).

Add another person to the list of whose perception is meaningless.

Thanks for the advice, but I already did. As have several others here.

And yet you continue to respond.

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And that's the end.