High School State Finals (Video)

[JRutledge]

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[BigT]

The first play I have the defense moving into the shooter.

Second play I dont see advantage by either player and he either gets two or its rebounded. No call there imo.

Thanks for the awesome video.

[Nevadaref]

Defenders did a fabulous of being vertical in both plays. Neither should have been whistled.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigT

The first play I have the defense moving into the shooter.

Look at the defender and his feet. He is at the Restricted area circle when he jumps and appears to stay at that level when jumped into by the jumper. I think this was a good no call honestly. I thought it was a foul when I first saw it, but the replay changed my mind. But it was close for sure when live.

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[JRutledge]

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

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Karma

B11 got away with a foul on the 1st rebounding action. 2nd rebound, I have 2 players jumping for a rebound and B11 losing his balance when he lands.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

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I suppose there's a little nudge (not intentional), but I'm cool with the no-call/travel.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Look at the defender and his feet. He is at the Restricted area circle when he jumps and appears to stay at that level when jumped into by the jumper. I think this was a good no call honestly. I thought it was a foul when I first saw it, but the replay changed my mind. But it was close for sure when live.

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JRutlege IMHO he came across the paint and jumped. He didnt come across stop and jump into the air. I say his body isnt straight up knowing where he had been and where he is going when contact happens. The offensive player is knocked down. I dont see many plays where the defense jumps straight up and the offensive player goes to the ground. If they have been letting go that type of moving into a shooter than I am fine. If I see that play I would call a foul every time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigT

JRutlege IMHO he came across the paint and jumped. He didnt come across stop and jump into the air. I say his body isnt straight up knowing where he had been and where he is going when contact happens. The offensive player is knocked down. I dont see many plays where the defense jumps straight up and the offensive player goes to the ground. If they have been letting go that type of moving into a shooter than I am fine. If I see that play I would call a foul every time.

He came across the paint with his feet, then jumped into what appeared to be his vertical space. Now the video angle is not the best, but I see him going straight up. And yes, I see a lot of defenders doing this now, especially in college as it relates to the RA as if they jump, they can be ruled not responsible for the contact that takes place. And I also see many plays where offensive players go into bigger defenders and fall. Those are not always fouls and I am not penalizing defenders for doing good basic things. Now the official in this video pass on that play, I am assuming they felt they were legal.

And if you see that play and call a foul every time, then that is part of why coaches say, "He got hit" and expecting a call just because there was some contact. And in boys basketball, players going into the lane are going to have contact a lot no matter what. We should not penalize good defense when it takes place. Because you have already like the others penalized the defender when he or she might have done everything legal. Now if you tell me you feel this player jumped into the shooter and was outside of the vertical space he earned, that is fine. But I see no evidence of that from the angles we got of that type of movement. And the second vertical play looked very sheepish at best that was actually called. But we have a better angle on the second play.

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[BigT]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He came across the paint with his feet, then jumped into what appeared to be his vertical space. Now the video angle is not the best, but I see him going straight up. And yes, I see a lot of defenders doing this now, especially in college as it relates to the RA as if they jump, they can be ruled not responsible for the contact that takes place. And I also see many plays where offensive players go into bigger defenders and fall. Those are not always fouls and I am not penalizing defenders for doing good basic things. Now the official in this video pass on that play, I am assuming they felt they were legal.

And if you see that play and call a foul every time, then that is part of why coaches say, "He got hit" and expecting a call just because there was some contact. And in boys basketball, players going into the lane are going to have contact a lot no matter what. We should not penalize good defense when it takes place. Because you have already like the others penalized the defender when he or she might have done everything legal. Now if you tell me you feel this player jumped into the shooter and was outside of the vertical space he earned, that is fine. But I see no evidence of that from the angles we got of that type of movement. And the second vertical play looked very sheepish at best that was actually called. But we have a better angle on the second play.

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You are correct its not the best angle. I just think he didnt have enough time to stop his forward momentum and go straight up and the kidding moving to the lane made him look like he had stopped moving. You guys have taught how important it is to know if the defense was moving forward into the player at the time of contact. I do wish we had a better angle. I dont have a huge problem with the no call. It is just my opinion from my couch.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigT

The first play I have the defense moving into the shooter.

Second play I dont see advantage by either player and he either gets two or its rebounded. No call there imo.

Thanks for the awesome video.

I agree...on the first. Rut mentioned that he came back down in the same spot. I think that is due to the momentum of the shooter pushing him back, not because he jumped vertically.

On the 2nd, the defender's knee was extended and caught the shooter, pushing him out to a wider line than preferred.

[Camron Rust]

On play #2, I don't have a foul on either. On the first, it didn't displace the player in front...he jumped towards the ball that his teammate mis-rebounded.
On the 2nd, I have two guys going for a ball legally.

[JRutledge]

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[RefRich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

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Block, he's still stepping into the shooter as he's going up.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

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I'm not 100% sure, but I lean towards "blocK". It looks like the defender is moving sideways, but not obliquely, into the path of the shooter upon contact. From the center's angle he may see otherwise, though, so I'm not up in arms over the call.