Pac-12 Tournament (Video Request and video)

[frezer11]

Play 4- I don't think the defense did anything wrong, charge.
Play 5- Travel, but admittedly, I might miss this one live, that was a pretty quick move.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by frezer11

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Play 5- Travel, but admittedly, I might miss this one live, that was a pretty quick move.

That move was sloppy enough that I would have called the travel and have.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What game?

Peace

Sorry, it would have been the Arizona game late Saturday night pacific time on ESPN.

[MechanicGuy]

Broken record time:

Play 5, by rule, is a travel. 99% of spin moves to the basket are travels.

That said, "the game of basketball", in practice, has decided that that is a legal move. And I'm not going to be the only official calling it, so I'm passing just like they did.

[Pantherdreams]

In regards to the travel. As advised by many here, if you need it in super slow mo to pick it up we probably aren't calling it.

I have always been an advocate of getting all of the travels even if it meant getting a couple of close ones wrong. I am aware that is puts me in the minority here in the general officiating universe so I do my best to act as Rome would have me act.

Problem with these sorts of plays is when the dribble ends? If I'm officiating the defense and there is traffic and he starts to pull the ball for a psin dribble then curls his arms/scoops the ball. That can be a hard get . . . back to my intial point. If i'm not sure without replay, most people I work with or for don't want you calling it.

[Camron Rust]

Play 4....easy charge. Ignore the announcers. It was way outside the RA and he had LGP for miles. His lateral movement was irrelevant since the shooter was still on the floor.

Play 5. Travel. Left is the pivot on the spin. Steps the the right, then to the left again.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

In regards to the travel. As advised by many here, if you need it in super slow mo to pick it up we probably aren't calling it.

I have always been an advocate of getting all of the travels even if it meant getting a couple of close ones wrong. I am aware that is puts me in the minority here in the general officiating universe so I do my best to act as Rome would have me act.

Problem with these sorts of plays is when the dribble ends? If I'm officiating the defense and there is traffic and he starts to pull the ball for a psin dribble then curls his arms/scoops the ball. That can be a hard get . . . back to my intial point. If i'm not sure without replay, most people I work with or for don't want you calling it.

I spent last March rewinding/reviewing every spin move I saw. None were, technically, legal. It's incredibly difficult/awkward to get that first foot down before ending your dribble. It just doesn't happen that way.

That said, oif neither coach, none of the players, none of the fans and nearly none of my fellow officials think that play is or should be illegal I'm not going to die on that hill.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

ESPN: With 9:47 to play, Trier(AZ) makes a full-court layup and teammate grabs rim/net as ball still in net. Nothing called but looked like obvious BI.

Play #6:

Originally Posted by bucky

ESPN: With 3:22 (think) to go, drive down left middle and T ref calls a block, via restricted area, on secondary defender. Was the secondary defender in the air or grounded?

Play #7:


Peace

[bucky]

Awesome, thank you. Interested to hear what people think.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

ESPN: With 15:59 remaining in 2nd half, AZ player initially called for a flagrant 1 foul. After review, downgraded to common foul. F1 in my mind.

Play #7:



Peace

[Camron Rust]

Play 6: Technically BI since the ball was in the basket but that and similar plays are often passed on. The ball was in and was not coming out. Any slight contact with the rim at that point was not going to have any effect on the shot.

Play 7 #1. The defender did just just as contact was beginning but I think contact occurred before he left the floor. He didn't really jump to play the ball but did so, halfheartedly, as an afterthought to avoid an RA block. This exposes the flaw in the RA rules with defenders jumping. It adds one more layer of complexity. Did he jump in time and did he really jump?

Play 7 #2. Good downgrade. At most, that was a minor nudge. A foul for sure but not even close to a flagrant 1 IMO.

[JRutledge]

Play #8:



Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #8:

Peace

Great call. LGP gained a long time before contact. Moved legally to maintain it. I wish we'd be more consistent with that.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Great call. LGP gained a long time before contact. Moved legally to maintain it. I wish we'd be more consistent with that.

I concur. Sadly, the announcers are totally wrong and that spreads further misinformation to the viewing public.

[wyo96]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I concur. Sadly, the announcers are totally wrong and that spreads further misinformation to the viewing public.

To call Bill Walton an announcer is an insult to all announcers... He is terrible. Just talks to hear his own voice and thinks he is funny when he is insulting. I can't watch a game that he is on.

PS: Great call. I love it....