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[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Easy when you can go look at the video replay on a monitor.
College officiating has become worse with the crutch of using replay.

We're somehow better cause we can't use a monitor to make sure we're 100% in certain areas of the game?

I disagree. We probably get it right initially less than they do, then when we screw up we have no mechanism to fix things.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

We're somehow better cause we can't use a monitor to make sure we're 100% in certain areas of the game?

I disagree. We probably get it right initially less than they do, then when we screw up we have no mechanism to fix things.

I think he's saying *they* were better before they knew they had replay to rely on.

[BryanV21]

They say the same thing about replay in every other sport... it makes officials worse. IMO that's bull.

I think any official that gives a damn wants to get every call right every time. And they don't want to be proven wrong, whether that be by an observer or instant replay. So they work harder to get the call right the first time, because they know there can be millions of pairs of eyes on them at all times, and if they go to replay too often to get a call right they may very well lose their spot.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

They say the same thing about replay in every other sport... it makes officials worse. IMO that's bull.

I think any official that gives a damn wants to get every call right every time. And they don't want to be proven wrong, whether that be by an observer or instant replay. So they work harder to get the call right the first time, because they know there can be millions of pairs of eyes on them at all times, and if they go to replay too often to get a call right they may very well lose their spot.

I've often wondered if NFL officials for example, almost feel slighted when when there is a coaches challenge on a call that they were right on top of. "Feel slighted" is a strong term, but when you are confident in your call, I wonder if they think to themselves "Wasted challenge there..."

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I've often wondered if NFL officials for example, almost feel slighted when when there is a coaches challenge on a call that they were right on top of. "Feel slighted" is a strong term, but when you are confident in your call, I wonder if they think to themselves "Wasted challenge there..."

I'm sure that's true sometimes. And I'm sure there are times they thought they were right only to be proven otherwise. Either way, it feels so good to be proven right by replay. So why would they take the chance?

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I've often wondered if NFL officials for example, almost feel slighted when when there is a coaches challenge on a call that they were right on top of. "Feel slighted" is a strong term, but when you are confident in your call, I wonder if they think to themselves "Wasted challenge there..."

I doubt it. It saves them the hassle of dealing with the angry coach. Instead of arguing the call, he throws the flag and they look at replay.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Adam

I doubt it. It saves them the hassle of dealing with the angry coach. Instead of arguing the call, he throws the flag and they look at replay.

Agree, and even more true in MLB. Baseball has become almost as civil as croquet in recent years.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Baseball has become almost as civil as croquet in recent years.

[MD Longhorn]

I think for all sports but football, no official has changed the way they call based on the existence of replay. There's no desire to get it wrong because you can be bailed out. To assert this is, in my opinion, asinine.

In FOOTBALL, though ... it has changed things. The referee is more apt to rule, on the spot, in whichever way he needs to rule that doesn't stop the play. And apparent turnover, where an official used to be 80% sure the knee was down, he used to blow the play dead. Now he lets play proceed, because a wrong turnover call can be fixed, but a wrong dead ball call (except in very limited instances) can't.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I think for all sports but football, no official has changed the way they call based on the existence of replay. There's no desire to get it wrong because you can be bailed out. To assert this is, in my opinion, asinine.

In FOOTBALL, though ... it has changed things. The referee is more apt to rule, on the spot, in whichever way he needs to rule that doesn't stop the play. And apparent turnover, where an official used to be 80% sure the knee was down, he used to blow the play dead. Now he lets play proceed, because a wrong turnover call can be fixed, but a wrong dead ball call (except in very limited instances) can't.

I bet the two judges in the Arkansas /Virginia Tech punt fumble fiasco wish they didnt rule that play dead.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I bet the two judges in the Arkansas /Virginia Tech punt fumble fiasco wish they didnt rule that play dead.

The penalty saved them, from what I understand.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think he's saying *they* were better before they knew they had replay to rely on.

Could be. But now they can focus differently, too. 2 or 3? For example, they can make a more "educated guess" on the feet live and focus more on whether there's a foul -- they know that the monitor can fix the shot.

I have no problem with that. They get it right in the end and that's all that matters to me. Give me a monitor and we'll use it, too.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Rich

Could be. But now they can focus differently, too. 2 or 3? For example, they can make a more "educated guess" on the feet live and focus more on whether there's a foul -- they know that the monitor can fix the shot.

I have no problem with that. They get it right in the end and that's all that matters to me. Give me a monitor and we'll use it, too.

And for this reason, I would certainly argue that they are MORE accurate, because instead of marking the feet, and potentially missing contact on the arm, they can be certain about contact, and figure out the feet later. And this particular type of review is great, because it happens during a timeout, so minimal game time is actually affected because of it.