Technical given to coach (Video)

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

From the angle in the video, I don't see a foul. I'm not saying there isn't one but I wouldn't make a foul call from the angle available. His arm appear to be tucked in against his own body until he pulled it out an up. Given a view from the endline or the other side, I could easily change my mind.

I don't see anything either from this angle. I see some acting, but not much else.

[Rich]

The defender doesn't have LGP and clearly impedes the ball handler.

Him choosing that path means nothing to me. The defender isn't legal.

[Rob1968]

When I see a player throw his head back, when the supposed contact was on his torso - in this case on his left shoulder - I'm immediately aware that the player is trying to convince me that the contact was more than he or I perceived. If the supposed contact had been sufficient to disturb his rsbq, his torso would have been turned, to some extent, away from that contact. I don't see that.
And then, the ballhandler makes the pass towards his teammate with his left hand, the hand on the side that supposedly received the contact from the defender. Not great acting, and to use a boxing term, the defender "slipped the punch" - that is, the contact that almost occurred, of the left shoulders of the two players = a good no-call.
JMHO

[BryanV21]

If all that goes through your head in the split-second you have to make a call, then you are an official savant.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If all that goes through your head in the split-second you have to make a call, then you are an official savant.

Try it some time...it isn't that hard.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

When I see a player throw his head back, when the supposed contact was on his torso - in this case on his left shoulder - I'm immediately aware that the player is trying to convince me that the contact was more than he or I perceived. If the supposed contact had been sufficient to disturb his rsbq, his torso would have been turned, to some extent, away from that contact. I don't see that.
And then, the ballhandler makes the pass towards his teammate with his left hand, the hand on the side that supposedly received the contact from the defender. Not great acting, and to use a boxing term, the defender "slipped the punch" - that is, the contact that almost occurred, of the left shoulders of the two players = a good no-call.
JMHO

I agree completely with this. If a call was made it wouldnt have bothered me but I'm likely not putting a whistle on this play for the reasons mentioned above. And I guess Few has a legit beef if similar handchecks were called earlier in the game but to get that upset over a marginal no call seems odd to me.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If all that goes through your head in the split-second you have to make a call, then you are an official savant.

It really isnt that hard. The more plays you see the quicker your mind can process this things. When people talk about "seeing the whole play" they are talking about processing the types of things Rob alluded to above.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I agree completely with this. If a call was made it wouldnt have bothered me but I'm likely not putting a whistle on this play for the reasons mentioned above. And I guess Few has a legit beef if similar handchecks were called earlier in the game but to get that upset over a marginal no call seems odd to me.



It really isnt that hard. The more plays you see the quicker your mind can process this things. When people talk about "seeing the whole play" they are talking about processing the types of things Rob alluded to above.

It seemed like a lot, but upon re-reading the post it's not a lot of information to ponder before making a call /non-call.

Like.... Did the defender exaggerate the contact on a possible charge? Did the ball handler try for a shot or pass when fouled?

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

The defender doesn't have LGP and clearly impedes the ball handler.

Him choosing that path means nothing to me. The defender isn't legal.

Didn't have LGP??? LGP is one of the few things I'm sure of form the video. I feel he clearly had it and moved laterally afterwards to maintain it. Perhaps he lost it at the last second as the shooter starts to get by him...is that what you're saying?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Didn't have LGP??? LGP is one of the few things I'm sure of form the video. I feel he clearly had it and moved laterally afterwards to maintain it. Perhaps he lost it at the last second as the shooter starts to get by him...is that what you're saying?

Yes.

[jeremy341a]

If he has LGP doesn't the offense have to get head and shoulders by?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

If he has LGP doesn't the offense have to get head and shoulders by?

Not when the defender sticks his arm out.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Rich

Not when the defender sticks his arm out.

It appears to me the contact is shoulder to shoulder but if his hand does get in there I agree.