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JRutledge Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:57pm

Technical given to coach (Video)
 
Also the play that appeared to get the Gonzaga coach upset.

Play:

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Peace

dahoopref Mon Feb 27, 2017 01:45pm

Without knowing all the particulars of fouls called/no-called previously to this play, I initially would say this was a foul. The BYU #12 left arm/hand is down on the Gonzaga player's drive and re-routes him. If this type of foul was called earlier, then Coach Few as an argument to be made. The Class A Tech was a obvious to me because Coach Few was on the court of play.

The Lead rotates over and the Gonzaga drive starts immediately. I've heard McCall state that calling a foul by the Lead during a rotation (except for an obvious crash) is a bad look because usually you don't have the big picture of the play having just positioning yourself there. It definitely is a tough play from a play and physical standpoint.

bucky Mon Feb 27, 2017 01:47pm

Clear foul.

ODog Mon Feb 27, 2017 02:35pm

Eh. I'm not calling that. If a player wants to take the worst possible route and go the last place he should be trying to go, I need more than that to bail him out.

johnny d Mon Feb 27, 2017 03:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1001282)
Eh. I'm not calling that. If a player wants to take the worst possible route and go the last place he should be trying to go, I need more than that to bail him out.

This is not necessarily a scoring route, but it has become a significant part of many offenses, especially at the college level. His intent is to make a pass across the end line to the player spotting up for a 3 on the other side. The pass he attempted after being fouled that was intercepted. An argument can be made that the bump disrupted the timing of the play and caused the turnover. Also, even if he was trying to use this as a scoring drive and trying to get to a bad place, this is exactly the kind of play NCAA-M officials have been directed repeatedly the last couple of years to clean up.

Raymond Mon Feb 27, 2017 03:32pm

If I'm the L, I'm thinking I have a foul on that for the textbook hand check.

deecee Mon Feb 27, 2017 03:44pm

That's a foul depending on how the game had been called up to that point. However that contact didn't lead to the turnover.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 27, 2017 03:54pm

From the angle in the video, I don't see a foul. I'm not saying there isn't one but I wouldn't make a foul call from the angle available. His arm appear to be tucked in against his own body until he pulled it out an up. Given a view from the endline or the other side, I could easily change my mind.

BryanV21 Mon Feb 27, 2017 06:18pm

While I'd likely have a foul on this play, it doesn't seem like something worth getting all worked up over and earning a tech.

bucky Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 1001289)
If I'm the L, I'm thinking I have a foul on that for the textbook hand check.

+1

Defender bites on the initial fake. After contact, offensive player can do nothing but pass, which results in a TO. If L calls a foul, literally nothing incorrect or bad happens. Only person that would be mad with that call is the defender because he knew he fell for the fake.

Blindolbat Tue Feb 28, 2017 02:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1001291)
From the angle in the video, I don't see a foul. I'm not saying there isn't one but I wouldn't make a foul call from the angle available. His arm appear to be tucked in against his own body until he pulled it out an up. Given a view from the endline or the other side, I could easily change my mind.

I don't see anything either from this angle. I see some acting, but not much else.

Rich Tue Feb 28, 2017 02:49pm

The defender doesn't have LGP and clearly impedes the ball handler.

Him choosing that path means nothing to me. The defender isn't legal.

Rob1968 Tue Feb 28, 2017 06:46pm

When I see a player throw his head back, when the supposed contact was on his torso - in this case on his left shoulder - I'm immediately aware that the player is trying to convince me that the contact was more than he or I perceived. If the supposed contact had been sufficient to disturb his rsbq, his torso would have been turned, to some extent, away from that contact. I don't see that.
And then, the ballhandler makes the pass towards his teammate with his left hand, the hand on the side that supposedly received the contact from the defender. Not great acting, and to use a boxing term, the defender "slipped the punch" - that is, the contact that almost occurred, of the left shoulders of the two players = a good no-call.
JMHO

BryanV21 Tue Feb 28, 2017 09:50pm

If all that goes through your head in the split-second you have to make a call, then you are an official savant.

Camron Rust Wed Mar 01, 2017 02:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1001357)
If all that goes through your head in the split-second you have to make a call, then you are an official savant.

Try it some time...it isn't that hard. :D


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