Minnesota vs. Iowa video request

[IAUMP]

Yes, I'm and Iowa fan, and I will grant the traveling call. However, it really looked bad for the L to come get that from across the lane all the way to by the free throw line extended.

The time out request in the 2nd video was not made from the bench. It came from an Iowa player in the lane. Had the C not bailed out of the play, perhaps he could have seen or heard the TO request. Also, the T would not have had to close in on the play so hard and might have been in a better position to see the out of bounds.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IAUMP

The time out request in the 2nd video was not made from the bench. It came from an Iowa player in the lane. Had the C not bailed out of the play, perhaps he could have seen or heard the TO request. Also, the T would not have had to close in on the play so hard and might have been in a better position to see the out of bounds.

And I would say the same thing I would say to the coach. "What is that supposed to mean?"

The player in the lane is trying to get the attention of an official that is looking at the ball and not him. The Trail is clearly several feet away in the FC. The Center who should be there is not there and likely also looking at the ball or sideline on some level. Making a request does not mean you get the request and the request is when the held ball is taking place. If that is the beef by the coaching staff, they need to find something better to eat. That is lane and certainly lame coming from that coaching staff as their coach is often a fool by the way he acts.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by IAUMP

Yes, I'm and Iowa fan, and I will grant the traveling call. However, it really looked bad for the L to come get that from across the lane all the way to by the free throw line extended.

The time out request in the 2nd video was not made from the bench. It came from an Iowa player in the lane. Had the C not bailed out of the play, perhaps he could have seen or heard the TO request. Also, the T would not have had to close in on the play so hard and might have been in a better position to see the out of bounds.

Personally, I think it would've looked worse for the crew to miss this.

Edit -- as far as the timeout goes, isn't this a great example of why it's better to allow the coach to call a timeout?

Actually, I don't really care what the NCAA decides on this, but it just shows that eliminating the coaches from calling them doesn't eliminate issues around them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Personally, I think it would've looked worse for the crew to miss this.

Edit -- as far as the timeout goes, isn't this a great example of why it's better to allow the coach to call a timeout?

Actually, I don't really care what the NCAA decides on this, but it just shows that eliminating the coaches from calling them doesn't eliminate issues around them.

I like the college rule. I love the college rule. Because the main person that could even hear such a request would be the Center and that person cannot see the ball. Even then the ball is so far away from them this would still be a hard call.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I like the college rule. I love the college rule. Because the main person that could even hear such a request would be the Center and that person cannot see the ball. Even then the ball is so far away from them this would still be a hard call.

Peace

The lead would be right in front of this coach or pretty close to him. He can see if the player possesses best he can and make a decision.....JUST AS WE DO in a HS game. To me, there's a better chance of granting this timeout with a coach allowed to request it.

I do think the player in the middle of the floor requests a time out in time, but there's no way the crew is getting that quickly enough.

Originally Posted by Jesse James

How can #1 NOT be a crew saver? Unless you were having to look through players to see, that is so egregious you could see that from any spot on the floor, or the 30th row.

What are you SAVING the crew from? One missed travel call early in the first half?

If that damages the crew credibility, then the crew has damned little to begin with.

That said, if I see it out of my peripheral, I'm coming to get that. It's obvious and out in the open. But what if I'm watching two post players banging for position and I don't see it? It gets missed, life goes on.

[Bob Bball]

In FIBA you can not call a time out during a live ball. Timeouts have to be requested at the table by one of the coaches and are given at the first dead ball opportunity.

So when offence panics and gets caught in a trap, they cannot bail out by calling a time out.

Takes the debate out of should a time out be granted, who should call it and will the officials miss the request.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

The lead would be right in front of this coach or pretty close to him. He can see if the player possesses best he can and make a decision.....JUST AS WE DO in a HS game. To me, there's a better chance of granting this timeout with a coach allowed to request it.

Yeah and I tend to not grant timeouts in high school games that far away when possession is at issue.

Originally Posted by Rich

I do think the player in the middle of the floor requests a time out in time, but there's no way the crew is getting that quickly enough.

That is my point.

Originally Posted by Rich

What are you SAVING the crew from? One missed travel call early in the first half?


If that damages the crew credibility, then the crew has damned little to begin with.

And egregious violation that is obvious is a crew saver. It has nothing to do with the time of the game IMO. Because you can go games and not have a situation where no such egregious situation even taking place. This was one of them.

Originally Posted by Rich

That said, if I see it out of my peripheral, I'm coming to get that. It's obvious and out in the open. But what if I'm watching two post players banging for position and I don't see it? It gets missed, life goes on.

It was not out of the corner of his eye. The competitive match-up in his area changed.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And egregious violation that is obvious is a crew saver. It has nothing to do with the time of the game IMO. Because you can go games and not have a situation where no such egregious situation even taking place. This was one of them.

You and I will just have to disagree on what's a crew saver. No biggy.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

You and I will just have to disagree on what's a crew saver. No biggy.

I also think you are taking the "crew saver" line differently than I mean it. The point is they got a clear violation that was without question would have been missed. Just thinking a play might have been is different than without question it was a violation. And any other close call in that game could be questioned seriously if you cannot get this one right.

Peace