Being sure of getting your offender and shooter

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Thanks, guys. I'm doing a lot of games with newer officials, and I'm having a difficult time getting them to consistently get the numbers. I've been thinking that my method might be so personalized that it's hard for them to adopt. But, your comments are very much what I do and what I've been telling them.
Apparently, they just need to practice.

Yeah not everyone has been refereeing for 5 decades...

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BigT

Yeah not everyone has been refereeing for 5 decades...

I'll take that as a compliment.

[Remington]

Where I see this messed up the most (basically talking about myself...), is on plays with double whistles on drives to the basket or rebounding fouls where it is possible there were 2 offenders (or its just in the middle of many bodies).

It is usually because of good initial mechanics that it is missed. Both officials post and hold and make eye contact and because it is in the lane with several bodies the numbers escape the 2 officials.

I had this exact scenario in a tough conference game on Saturday night. Fortunately we are able to go to the monitor in our league to ensure we have the number correct, but it still looks silly and is sloppy so I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle this as well.

[billyu2]

[QUOTE=Remington;996242]Where I see this messed up the most (basically talking about myself...), is on plays with double whistles on drives to the basket or rebounding fouls where it is possible there were 2 offenders (or its just in the middle of many bodies).

It is usually because of good initial mechanics that it is missed. Both officials post and hold and make eye contact and because it is in the lane with several bodies the numbers escape the 2 officials.

This is primarily the cause of that problem. The NFHS Officials Manual recommends "generally, the official that has primary coverage at the time of the whistles should take controlof the ruling (call). The manual does not mention anything about "post, hold and make eye contact."

[bob jenkins]

I'd rather deal with whatever problems arise from making eye contact than whatever problems arise from not making eye contact.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd rather deal with whatever problems arise from making eye contact than whatever problems arise from not making eye contact.

Such as?

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Such as?

A blarge.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Such as?

Another example -- the first play in the "shooting or not" videos posted today (or yesterday) by Arem. What if one official pointed to the endline for a throw-in while the other signaled "two shots?"

What if the play isn't clearly in one PCA (or I think it's clearly in mine, and you think it's clearly in yours)? What if it is, but I have a violation, while you have a foul on the back-side? What if it's in transition and the PCAs are more fluid?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I'll take that as a compliment.

I've been working for 30 and there's no chance I'll still be working in 20. Take it how you want to take it.