Video Request (This is the thread) - December 21, 2016

[TriggerMN]

I caught the tail end of it, but can you please post the play at 6:44 of the 1st half in the Duke-Elon game? I believe it was a play involving the new rule regarding elbows/defense in offensive player's space/whatever we're calling it. Thank you!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by TriggerMN

I caught the tail end of it, but can you please post the play at 6:44 of the 1st half in the Duke-Elon game? I believe it was a play involving the new rule regarding elbows/defense in offensive player's space/whatever we're calling it. Thank you!

Well here is the play.

Looks like a good call and the offensive player had their arms at a 90 degree angle to make a normal basketball move.



Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well here is the play.

Looks like a good call and the offensive player had their arms at a 90 degree angle to make a normal basketball move.



Peace

I absolutely hate that rule....making a defender in great LGP get out of the way of the opponent's elbows is just bad.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I absolutely hate that rule....making a defender in great LGP get out of the way of the opponent's elbows is just bad.

They wanted to discourage defenders simply crowding the ball handler and in turn allowing more freedom of movement with the offense and allowing more scoring. And this along with other rules have encouraged just that, more offense.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They wanted to discourage defenders simply crowding the ball handler and in turn allowing more freedom of movement with the offense and allowing more scoring. And this along with other rules have encouraged just that, more offense.

Peace

That is fine, but it is not working that way. This defender was in no way crowding the offense. The rule needs some fine tuning. A defender should be able to take any vertical position short of contact. If there is not enough room for another to make a move, too bad. That is essence of defense.

Most of the crowding situations they really needed to clean up involved actually creating contact....bellying up.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That is fine, but it is not working that way. This defender was in no way crowding the offense. The rule needs some fine tuning. A defender should be able to take any vertical position short of contact. If there is not enough room for another to make a move, too bad. That is essence of defense.

Most of the crowding situations they really needed to clean up involved actually creating contact....bellying up.

You need to let the coaches, ADs, and Commissioners know that, because they specifically said they want the offensive player to have room to make a move.

The play posted is textbook of what they want us to call as a cylinder foul.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That is fine, but it is not working that way. This defender was in no way crowding the offense. The rule needs some fine tuning. A defender should be able to take any vertical position short of contact. If there is not enough room for another to make a move, too bad. That is essence of defense.

Most of the crowding situations they really needed to clean up involved actually creating contact....bellying up.

As stated, this was the argument against the previous interpretations of the NCAA that the offensive player should be able to have room to move or even create space in order to make a move. Now, officials did not make this rule. Coaches, ADs and administrators did as they are the main ones that sit on the committee. I do not believe the Supervisor of Officials is actually on the committee at all. So when these plays took place in the past, the defense was, "They should have space to move." Well they got rid of that on some level. It is not about if I agree with it, that is the rule now. They want defenders to give them room. And if you saw the video examples that the NCAA put out there to support this rule, this looks like all the plays where this is a foul on the defender.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

As stated, this was the argument against the previous interpretations of the NCAA that the offensive player should be able to have room to move or even create space in order to make a move. Now, officials did not make this rule. Coaches, ADs and administrators did as they are the main ones that sit on the committee. I do not believe the Supervisor of Officials is actually on the committee at all. So when these plays took place in the past, the defense was, "They should have space to move." Well they got rid of that on some level. It is not about if I agree with it, that is the rule now. They want defenders to give them room. And if you saw the video examples that the NCAA put out there to support this rule, this looks like all the plays where this is a foul on the defender.

Peace

Understood.

I just think, like the elbow rule, the initial result isn't exactly what they really wanted. It may be what they asked for, though. I think it will be refined some as defenders in good position get tagged with silly fouls (like the one above).

Ultimately, the elbow rule was revised after several nonsense intentional fouls were called that really were not the intended target of the changes. I see this one going the same way.