HS shot clock

[deecee]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

Deecee, his post said that the team "grabbed the rebound as the whistle blew". I interpreted it as meaning the whistle preceded blue establishing team control, which is why I agreed with going to the arrow. If that were to be the case, would the arrow be correct in your opinion?

If it were close enough and it was clear and uncontested recovery I'm not taking the possession away. Also with a shot clock if the horn sounds at the same time as the defense gets the rebound I'm not blowing the play dead anyway. Play on.

It's most likely what happened, is the coach is screaming for a reset, the rebound comes off the backboard, the horn sounds, the kid gets the rebound. All this is happening at the same time and the official could have had a "oh @#$" moment and blew the whistle for a SC violation. Most officials, myself included, would probably get sucked into that one.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by deecee

If it were close enough and it was clear and uncontested recovery I'm not taking the possession away. Also with a shot clock if the horn sounds at the same time as the defense gets the rebound I'm not blowing the play dead anyway. Play on.

It's most likely what happened, is the coach is screaming for a reset, the rebound comes off the backboard, the horn sounds, the kid gets the rebound. All this is happening at the same time and the official could have had a "oh @#$" moment and blew the whistle for a SC violation. Most officials, myself included, would probably get sucked into that one.

I would agree that that situation could be confusing. However, the question is did the ball hit the rim? If it did, there is no possibility of a violation, no matter who grabs it. If the horn goes off, and there is NO SHOT, kill immediately. However, if the horn goes off and there is a shot, HOLD the whistle until it is clear what happens (shot scores, ball hits the rim, ball does not hit the rim, but opponents pick up the ball, or the same team picks up the ball without it hitting the rim). After you know what has happened, kill play if needed, to avoid an IAW/shot clock reset error.

IMHO, why does CA still have a 35-second shot clock? NCAA men changed the shot clock to 30 in 2015, so there have already been 3 seasons with both women and men playing with 30 seconds. I also don't see any rhyme or reason for girls to play with no 10-second count, because NCAA-W added a 10-second count, tied to the shot clock when the men went to 30 seconds.

[LRZ]

"The past is never dead. It's not even past." --William Faulkner

[Mark Padgett]

Years ago, I was on the Board of our local rec league for kids. At a pre-season coach's meeting, one of the coaches of a 4th grade team (the teams went from 3rd grade through varsity) asked if we used a shot clock. I told him we did, and it ran for two hours between shots for kids at that grade. He stared at me for a few seconds then realized I was joking.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Years ago, I was on the Board of our local rec league for kids. At a pre-season coach's meeting, one of the coaches of a 4th grade team (the teams went from 3rd grade through varsity) asked if we used a shot clock. I told him we did, and it ran for two hours between shots for kids at that grade. He stared at me for a few seconds then realized I was joking.

Indeed, it wouldn't make sense at that age. USA Basketball recommends a shot clock around 12, so middle school should play with a shot clock, maybe 40 seconds. If officials cut their teeth on shot clock MS games, it would ease the learning curve once they got to high school, since they would know the necessary mechanics and signals, and learn clock awareness. The next step would just be to learn 3-man in off season camps, summer games, men's league games, or intramural games, and the officials would be ready for JV or (initially limited) varsity experience.

[LRZ]

But it would not be just referees who need to climb the clock learning curve. In my MS games, I have trouble enough with the table officials as it is.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by LRZ

But it would not be just referees who need to climb the clock learning curve. In my MS games, I have trouble enough with the table officials as it is.

Send an experienced official as an observer/standby to supervise the table at the MS game, and operate the shot clock, if no operator can be found, and you will have solved multiple problems. The MS officials can get feedback at intermissions and will be confident that at least 1 person on the table knows what he is doing. This is also a good opportunity for evaluation for the officials and practice for table personnel, with a supervisor to help, if needed. This can also be a way for senior officials to give back to junior officials. IMHO, this is a win-win for everyone.

[LRZ]

An unrealistic suggestion, around here, at least. We don't have the luxury of available, interested and experienced officials to do such a thing at afternoon MS games.

But I'm glad to know that you are willing to volunteer.