Coaching Staff Decorum

[VrefA]

So I've read plenty of threads where we can all agree that we aren't going to take any crap from coaches and at a scholastic contest we are going to ignore anything said from the stands.

I recently had a contest where the Varsity coaching staff sat in the bleachers and yelled obscenities at the JV/Fresh officials when the varsity coaching staff disagreed with their calls. You could obviously tell they were coaching staff and represented the school as they all wore matching shirts and were sitting just above the team bench so they could coach (yell at) players as well.

The things that were said I would consider an "Automatic" had the coach been on the court but I would have ignored if it were just the common fan in the stands. Needless to say though, it still definitely violated the NFHS sportsmanship policy.

I think it would be looking for trouble to T the bench in this instance, much like it would be trouble to tell game admin. that the varsity head coach has to leave the gym. I am interested to see what the peanut galleries opinions could be to help resolve a similar situation.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by VrefA

...... and at a scholastic contest we are going to ignore anything said from the stands.

Maybe this is the start of the issue. I don't exactly have my antennas up looking for something, but I'm not going to let some knot head who paid $4, sit in the front row and abuse the crew all night.

If that happens to be the coach of the next game or the guy who walked in off the street, they are a spectator at that point. I'm going to get game management or at least let them know, in that look your mom gave you when you were 10, that I am not putting up with their sh%t.

[Raymond]

You can always contact the State governing board and send correspondence to the school principal

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[JRutledge]

I will say this. When a coaching staff acts out before their games like a varsity contest, that is often something that gets around. Secondly if they do that in my presence, I will take that as note and maybe address it at first opportunity when it comes up in my game. Otherwise I would leave it alone before a game. I might contact my assignor as well to let them know this is something that is going on so that it can be addressed there. The only way I would contact the state (and I am talking specifically to our system) is if they did something influenced my particular game. Otherwise I would go through the chain of command to address this. But when my game starts, it is in their best interest to be on their best behavior.

Peace

[Raymond]

Coaches who act like that in the stands would get zero leeway with me in the Varsity game.

[griblets]

As a very young first year HS official at 20 years of age, while reffing a boys freshmen game, I had a spectator standing just in front of the bleachers opposite table side berating me. I gave him the heave-ho. It turns out that he was the varsity coach. After the game, his tone changed completely and he pathetically apologized only when he realized it meant he would be suspended from coaching his game. Unfortunately, the varsity crew decided that it didn't need to be reported and let him coach. And I didn't know any better regarding how to report it.

[LRZ]

griblets, let your assigner know, at the least. Around here, if something unusual occurs, most refs call the assigner to let him/her know. If you are on arbiter, you can also use the "report" function.

[SC Official]

Here, sub-varsity and varsity typically don't play on the same nights. But if something like this did happen to me, I 100% agree with BNR.

However, if I notice that there are "assistants" behind the bench area who are doing a lot of coaching and b*tching trying to circumvent the bench personnel rules (especially if they join the timeout huddle), I will make clear to the head coach that it's not going to fly and they will be penalized as regular bench personnel, which potentially includes him losing his box.

[griblets]

Originally Posted by LRZ

griblets, let your assigner know, at the least. Around here, if something unusual occurs, most refs call the assigner to let him/her know. If you are on arbiter, you can also use the "report" function.

I appreciate that advice, but I figured that out shortly after my first year. Arbiter didn't exist when this happened over 20 years ago...heck, I didn't even have Internet access then!

[BryanV21]

I normally arrive early enough to my games to catch most of the 1st half of the JV contest. If I see the varsity coach doing something like this, what are my options?

I mean, I can wait until halftime and tell the JV officials to tell the JV HC that the VHC can be removed from the gym and possibly not be able to attend his game. But what if his actions are so bad that I want to get it stopped before I can talk to the JV officials?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I normally arrive early enough to my games to catch most of the 1st half of the JV contest. If I see the varsity coach doing something like this, what are my options?

I mean, I can wait until halftime and tell the JV officials to tell the JV HC that the VHC can be removed from the gym and possibly not be able to attend his game. But what if his actions are so bad that I want to get it stopped before I can talk to the JV officials?

I would not do this at all. Give the JV officials advice in the locker room if you want and then let them live and die by what they decide to do. It's not your game yet and doesn't warrant you getting involved IMO.

Now, if you want to have a shorter leash for the varsity coach in your game, I would fully support that.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I normally arrive early enough to my games to catch most of the 1st half of the JV contest. If I see the varsity coach doing something like this, what are my options?



I mean, I can wait until halftime and tell the JV officials to tell the JV HC that the VHC can be removed from the gym and possibly not be able to attend his game. But what if his actions are so bad that I want to get it stopped before I can talk to the JV officials?

You don't. You have no standing other than as a spectator in the JV game.

[Adam]

Assuming I'm on the JV game, if they're screaming obscenities, they're leaving the game. I wouldn't let Jimmy's dad do that, not when it's done in a way that it gets and keeps my attention.

Find a stoppage in play, talk to the AD, and let him/her know the coach needs to knock it off or leave.

Also file a report with your assigner AND directly with the state governing body.

If I'm part of the crew for the varsity crew and I'm watching this game, I'd ask the crew at half time why they aren't dealing with it and let the conversation flow from there. Coach gets zero tolerance from me.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by VrefA

I recently had a contest where the Varsity coaching staff sat in the bleachers and yelled obscenities at the JV/Fresh officials when the varsity coaching staff disagreed with their calls.

Any fan yelling obscenities at at scholastic contest will be removed at my game no matter who they are. This is not the arena where that is even close to acceptable IMO.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Just because you're in the row behind the bench doesn't mean you aren't a coach, especially if you're coaching players on the bench, and joining the team huddle during timeouts. If this happens in my game, I'm giving the HC ONE chance to correct it, and then if it happens again, someone's getting whacked!