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Freddy Mon Nov 28, 2016 07:38pm

9-9....?
 
Backcourt violation, or not?
https://youtu.be/1xqD1erJTEk

Rich Mon Nov 28, 2016 08:10pm

Are you speaking on a theoretical level? :)

BigCat Mon Nov 28, 2016 08:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 993688)
Backcourt violation, or not?
https://youtu.be/1xqD1erJTEk

Looks like it to me. She caught ball in air while jumping from FC. That gives her FC status. Lands in back court. Violation. The exception doesnt apply to her as it was already touched by other player. I wouldnt lose ANY sleep over not calling it as it happened quick etc. it was a BC violation though.

JRutledge Mon Nov 28, 2016 08:18pm

Here is the play broken down.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BS3aOtuVNAM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I think this is not a violation. It looks like control is not until the ball is in the backcourt.

Peace

BigCat Mon Nov 28, 2016 08:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 993692)
Here is the play broken down.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BS3aOtuVNAM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I think this is not a violation. It looks like control is not until the ball is in the backcourt.

Peace

I think she catches it before either foot touches BC. She was in FC. As I said not calling it doesn't bother me because it is that close.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Nov 28, 2016 08:55pm

NOT a violation
 
I would say this is NOT a violation. I base this on the fact that there was NO control prior to this since we were coming off a jump ball, so we are talking about the establishment of initial control.

deecee Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:03pm

Play on.

bob jenkins Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 993695)
I would say this is NOT a violation. I base this on the fact that there was NO control prior to this since we were coming off a jump ball, so we are talking about the establishment of initial control.

The jump ball ended when the ball hit the floor (or another player -- I forget which happened first).

This is a violation.

Rich Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 993696)
Play on.



Yup. It's why I asked if the question was theoretical.

deecee Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 993698)
Yup. It's why I asked if the question was theoretical.

I'm waiting for the "well it's a backcourt because.." and "didn't she travel first"

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 993697)
The jump ball ended when the ball hit the floor (or another player -- I forget which happened first).



This is a violation.



You can't have a backcourt violation without first having control in the front court. There had not been any control established.

No violation.


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Rich Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:28pm

The player that controlled the ball had frontcourt status when she caught the ball and subsequently landed in the backcourt.

I'm not looking to split hairs here, but by rule?

Raymond Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:48pm

Backcourt by rule.

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Freddy Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 993692)
Here is the play broken down.

I like how Rut can do that. I can't.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Nov 28, 2016 09:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 993702)
The player that controlled the ball had frontcourt status when she caught the ball and subsequently landed in the backcourt.

I'm not looking to split hairs here, but by rule?

I agree with your point, however:

ART. 1 . . . A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt,...

Since there has been no team control established, there can be no violation here.

STILL, no violation.


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