Traveling

[stlstripes]

Player is on both knees holding the ball. Lifts one knee and now has one knee on the floor and a foot. Has the player traveled?

[Dad]

Probably.

A player holding the ball: after gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.

It's not definitive, but the casebook also adds to the situation: Any attempt to get to the feet is a travel unless the player is dribbling.

From knee to foot I'm calling it ten times out of ten.

If the player goes to pass the ball and the knee comes off the ground right before the pass? Ehhh.....

[bob jenkins]

Here we go again ....

The rule says something like "attempts to stand."

Some view the action you describe as meeting that requirement. Some don't. Some say there's an element of time involved (if the action is part of a pass, and the pass is released relatively quickly, then don't pick nits over whether the foot hit the floor before the pass is released.)

There's never any consensus.

Lock it up now.

[BigCat]

The search function can be pretty helpful. Put in "travel knee" or just "knee" and you should see the other threads on it.

[stlstripes]

Thanks BigCat, somewhat new to using this forum.

[stlstripes]

I have a feeling this going to be split down the middle. Here's how I interpret it. Both knees on the floor = 2 feet on the floor. Lift one knee to bring the foot to the floor, now you have established the knee the is still on the floor as the "pivot." If that knee is lifted prior to a dribble, pass or shot, then we have a travel.

Just my opinion.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by stlstripes

I have a feeling this going to be split down the middle. Here's how I interpret it. Both knees on the floor = 2 feet on the floor. Lift one knee to bring the foot to the floor, now you have established the knee the is still on the floor as the "pivot." If that knee is lifted prior to a dribble, pass or shot, then we have a travel.

Just my opinion.

Are you sure this is your opinion?

You can lift whatever you want to pass/shoot. You can not to dribble.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stlstripes

I have a feeling this going to be split down the middle. Here's how I interpret it. Both knees on the floor = 2 feet on the floor. Lift one knee to bring the foot to the floor, now you have established the knee the is still on the floor as the "pivot." If that knee is lifted prior to a dribble, pass or shot, then we have a travel.

Just my opinion.

The knee is never, ever, the pivot. Read bob's post again, you'll likely have to decide for yourself whether lifting a knee is an attempt to stand.

But the knee cannot be the pivot for purposes of the traveling rule.

Ever.

Not to mention your misunderstanding of what can be done after the pivot foot is lifted.

Lots of work to do here.