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The team inbounding did not gain any advantage. We can play all the what ifs, but the adjudication was correct. |
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That's fine. That's what I'm asking. What is expected? Y'all are telling me there's no limit here? He can stand over the ball as long as he wants, and if he doesn't pick it up there is no count? |
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With a stopped clock, I'm doing the exact same thing. With a running clock, I'm stopping it and having someone retrieve the ball. |
If the ball was back in the crowd and not available, that changes everything. Perhaps someone could post the video. But if the ball is available, and nobody moves to pick it up, do we start the count at some point? I do.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qerNHCMqL5s
Ball rolls out of sight behind the stanchion. Impossible to say whether it was ever "unavailable" or not. |
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if the ball was under the basket I may have given a few more seconds to see if anyone was going to take control before I started my count. But I wouldn't say, "OH shot made, ball is available for throw in." and then start my count. The clock is stopped, what's the rush? |
Again, the clock was stopped. We cannot use a high school expectation for a college situation. This is a college game, not a high school game. I see many officials at that level be very deliberate with their counts when the clock is stopped. Stopping play has other consequences that are not needed when the clock is already stopped.
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Most here have said that *in this situation* what they did was correct. You can even see the official direct someone to go get the ball. My guess is that had there been any further delay he would have started a (deliberate) count. |
Officiating is part art and part science.
There's probably thousands of officials who get the science right. Those that can also get the art right rise to the top. |
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I'm out. I can't sing or draw. |
When I posted the original question, I thought the ball was lying in plain sight the whole time. It wasn't. But from the reactions of everyone involved, I don't think it was ever not available. With all that in mind, I would have started a count when the first guy stepped out of bounds. I see nothing in the wording that makes that wrong. I also don't see whether the clock is running or stopped has anything to do with this rule. And I also don't know what a "deliberate" count is.
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I just watched the video. In a high school game, I'm not even going to have a 5 second count because the clock will be running with under 5 seconds. In any stopped clock game, I'm doing exactly what these guys did.
Starting a count early here isn't doing anyone any good. |
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