Player Hanging on Rim....

[CMHCoachNRef]

The following play occurred in a High School Regional Final Boys Game in Ohio this past weekend.

A3 drove into the lane and picked up his dribble as he was just inside the college "restricted area arc." (not relevant in NFHS, but just providing additional description as to position on the floor)
A3 used a head and ball fake causing defender B5 to leap into the air.
B5 realized that A3 had faked the shot and was below B5.
B5 grabbed the rim to avoid crunching the player below him (A3).
A3 went up for the shot.
B3 held A3 as A3 was about to shoot the ball.
B5 by this time has released the rim. The ball then got up to the basket and is not touched either on the way up or the way down and does not go into the basket.

The crew called a foul on B3 (that resulted in two FTs) and did not call anything on B5 referring to the fact that a player is permitted to grasp the ring in an attempt to avoid an injury.

One of the evaluators indicated that a B5 should have received a technical foul for grasping the rim in an attempt to avoid committing a foul.

Case plays involving hanging on the rim all seem to refer to the player dunking or shooting the ball. There does not seem to be a reference to a defensive player. One case play (10.3.4, I believe) does reference player A1 losing his balance while shooting a shot and grabbing the rim. This play is legal per the Case Book.

Technical? Shooting foul only? Both a technical foul and shooting the two shots for the foul?

[Nevadaref]

The evaluator has no rule basis for his idiotic comment. He is wrong.

The crew was correct to not penalize B5 with a technical foul since it felt that he grasped the ring to prevent injury. That is permitted. The rules do not specify offense or defense. Either team is allowed to do this.

The crew should have considered defensive BI, if the ball struck the ring on the shot and it had not yet returned to its original position. If the ring had returned, then nothing need be called.

Sounds as if the crew nailed this play.

[Camron Rust]

No call on B5....his grasp was legal. They crew got it right.

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The crew should have considered defensive BI, if the ball struck the ring on the shot and it had not yet returned to its original position. If the ring had returned, then nothing need be called.

Suppose the ring returns to original position but entire structure (backboard and goal) are shaking such that the try gets bounced off rim?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Suppose the ring returns to original position but entire structure (backboard and goal) are shaking such that the try gets bounced off rim?

Then nothing can be called by rule.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Suppose the ring returns to original position but entire structure (backboard and goal) are shaking such that the try gets bounced off rim?

"original/normal" position means that the rim has stopped moving/vibrating. It's in the same position it was before the grasp. If a player grabs the rim and causes it and the "entire structure" to vibrate/move then it is BI if the ball hits the rim and bounces out.

9.11.4 is the case play where a defender grabs rim.

[letemplay]

Thanks for the reference.

Change it up: A1 attempts a dunk and grabs rim to prevent injury, ball bounces high off ring, A1 regains balance and drops, but rim and backboard are still shaking when ball comes down and bounces off moving rim.
No whistle?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Thanks for the reference.



Change it up: A1 attempts a dunk and grabs rim to prevent injury, ball bounces high off ring, A1 regains balance and drops, but rim and backboard are still shaking when ball comes down and bounces off moving rim.

No whistle?

Good scenario, but no whistle is correct. The missed dunk is a try, and like any try that strikes the rim and bounces straight up, it's not over yet. A1 is permitted to grasp the rim in the process of attempting to dunk, and as such BI is not in play due to any action by A1 during this try (unless he were to come down and then jump back up and commit BI before his own try ended).

If the try ends and/or if a different player commits BI incident to the dunk try, then we have a different story.


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[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

"original/normal" position means that the rim has stopped moving/vibrating. It's in the same position it was before the grasp. If a player grabs the rim and causes it and the "entire structure" to vibrate/move then it is BI if the ball hits the rim and bounces out.

9.11.4 is the case play where a defender grabs rim.

I'm going to have to study this a bit more when I get home today, but I don't think this is right. "original position" is in reference to the rim snapping back into position.

Shaking or vibrating the rim structure does not qualify as BI.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm going to have to study this a bit more when I get home today, but I don't think this is right. "original position" is in reference to the rim snapping back into position.

Shaking or vibrating the rim structure does not qualify as BI.

The rule says BI if a player pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before ring returns to original position. The case play i mentioned above, 9.11.4, says B4 grasps the ring, lets go and lands safely. The ring is "still moving" when the ball hits the "moving ring" and bounces out. ruling- no T because B4 grabbed ring for safety but it is BI because ball struck a "still- vibrating" ring.

Many rims, not all, will continue to move after they snap back into place. vibrate. If somebody is sooo heavy that the rim is still moving and so is the entire structure then I have BI. Also, I look further to the intent of the rule. If player grabs rim and it is still moving when the ball hits it BI for me.