Player Hanging on Rim....

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Good scenario, but no whistle is correct. The missed dunk is a try, and like any try that strikes the rim and bounces straight up, it's not over yet. A1 is permitted to grasp the rim in the process of attempting to dunk, and as such BI is not in play due to any action by A1 during this try (unless he were to come down and then jump back up and commit BI before his own try ended).

If the try ends and/or if a different player commits BI incident to the dunk try, then we have a different story.


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The BI rule, 4-6 arts. 1 and 2, tell us it is BI if a player touches the ball while it is in the cylinder or touches the basket while the ball is on rim or in basket. The exception to these two rules says a player can have contact with the ball and "continue" that contact into the cylinder and "touch" the basket…."dunking or stuffing is legal…" The exception is to Art. 1 and 2 only.

When the missed dunk hits back iron and goes straight up the player can hang on the rim for safety. the ball is not on the rim or in the basket at that point nor is the player actually touching it while it is in the cylinder. No violation yet. However, if, when he lets go, the rim is pulled and it vibrates…and continues to vibrate when ball hits it--it is BI. That is article 4.

Finally, the exception simply makes it clear that dunking/stuffing is legal and you can make contact with the basket and be touching ball in cylinder while doing so. It isn't a license to continue that contact with the basket.

I only came back to this thread because you mentioned in the other one that you wrest convinced yet…. thx

[HokiePaul]

Playing devils advocate here on the original post, but what if you believe that the hanging on the rim was primarily done to avoid fouling rather than for safety reasons, what would you rule to avoid "permitting an advantage not intended by a rule."

Perhaps this was how the evaluator arguing for a Technical foul saw the play.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Playing devils advocate here on the original post, but what if you believe that the hanging on the rim was primarily done to avoid fouling rather than for safety reasons, what would you rule to avoid "permitting an advantage not intended by a rule."

Perhaps this was how the evaluator arguing for a Technical foul saw the play.

If I watch the play and think safety is a possible factor I am not calling a T. I really don't try to determine the player's reasons. Frankly, the foul being avoided is likely landing on the other player or crashing into him. safer to hang.