Anyone Officiate Fulltime? (high school sports)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by northbendon

2000.00 in 1099's minus mileage,meals,uniforms covers that


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I'm saying this in the interest of other officials who may be reading this.

You're completely wrong and completely exposed to audit. Legally, you're required to report everything you make, whether or not it comes in the form of cash or check, and whether or not you get a 1099. You may or may not agree with how it should be, but that's how it is.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm saying this in the interest of other officials who may be reading this.

You're completely wrong and completely exposed to audit. Legally, you're required to report everything you make, whether or not it comes in the form of cash or check, and whether or not you get a 1099. You may or may not agree with how it should be, but that's how it is.

And I bet he complains about "rich" people not paying enough taxes.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm saying this in the interest of other officials who may be reading this.

You're completely wrong and completely exposed to audit. Legally, you're required to report everything you make, whether or not it comes in the form of cash or check, and whether or not you get a 1099. You may or may not agree with how it should be, but that's how it is.

By law, you are absolutely correct. NO question.

Take a poll, private if you like, and find out how many refs report their income. I think you will find it to be very low.

If you are doing D1 college, I get it. You are a bigger target for an audit. Doing strictly high school? The IRS has no idea who you are, what you are doing, and how much you make unless you get a 1099. You have to earn $600 in a calendar year from one school to get a 1099 from them.

Once again, how many of you report fantasy sports winnings? That is considered to be income by the IRS and you should report that as well. Those of you chastising others for being a "cheater" and not having integrity, better have all of your income on your 1040 before you sling mud.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

You have to earn $600 in a calendar year from one school to get a 1099 from them.

Not all areas are paid by a school. Many are paid through their association/assignor and it is quite easy to get to $600 since your whole season is lumped together.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not all areas are paid by a school. Many are paid through their association/assignor and it is quite easy to get to $600 since your whole season is lumped together.

Yep. Also, if you get paid through Arbiter, it aggregates to $600. This would lead to an odd scenario if you happen to have a couple of schools or districts that also added up to $600. If you just add your 1099s, you'll be over-reporting.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm saying this in the interest of other officials who may be reading this.

You're completely wrong and completely exposed to audit. Legally, you're required to report everything you make, whether or not it comes in the form of cash or check, and whether or not you get a 1099. You may or may not agree with how it should be, but that's how it is.

As I said above, you are 100% correct.

On the other hand, after having worked in the tax world, the government has NO idea about your referee earnings unless you get a 1099. Even then, they only know about the money that was reported on a 1099. If you didn't get a 1099 or you were paid cash, the IRS has no clue about the income. They could never prove you received anything other than what was on the 1099. The audit exposure is very low.

Before anybody accuses me of being an advocate of cheating, that's not what I'm doing. I'm simply giving information to officials about the IRS. What they do with the information and their money is up to them.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

As I said above, you are 100% correct.

On the other hand, after having worked in the tax world, the government has NO idea about your referee earnings unless you get a 1099. Even then, they only know about the money that was reported on a 1099. If you didn't get a 1099 or you were paid cash, the IRS has no clue about the income. They could never prove you received anything other than what was on the 1099. The audit exposure is very low.

Before anybody accuses me of being an advocate of cheating, that's not what I'm doing. I'm simply giving information to officials about the IRS. What they do with the information and their money is up to them.

Of course you are advocating cheating. You can tell yourself you aren't till you're blue in the face, but it is exactly what you are doing. This cheating is why the IRS keeps working to make 1099 rules stricter -- which imposes extra costs to catch cheaters. Funny how people who are getting paid from tax dollars (i.e. public schools) are so reluctant to pay their taxes . . .

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Of course you are advocating cheating. You can tell yourself you aren't till you're blue in the face, but it is exactly what you are doing. This cheating is why the IRS keeps working to make 1099 rules stricter -- which imposes extra costs to catch cheaters. Funny how people who are getting paid from tax dollars (i.e. public schools) are so reluctant to pay their taxes . . .

Do you think the IRS is one bit worried about some guys not paying taxes on their reffing money? I have first hand experience in the business and guys like us are not even on their radar. They are worried about big money people and people that have multiple income categories and expense categories that they use to fudge numbers.

You can talk about morals all you want, audit exposure, integrity, and the like. The bottom line is that, yes, the money is income and is supposed to be reported but a bigger number of refs don't report it than do.

Questioning somebody's ability or integrity as an official in correlation to what they do with their taxes is an extreme position to take. Are you reporting every dime of income that you take in during the year? I still haven't heard from those of you that win at fantasy sports. That is supposed to be reported too. Are you guys doing that?

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

Are you reporting every dime of income that you take in during the year?

Yes.

I still haven't heard from those of you that win at fantasy sports. That is supposed to be reported too. Are you guys doing that?

I haven't played fantasy sports for 2 years now, and when I did play fantasy sports, there was never any money involved. As an sports official, any form of gambling on any sport (and yes, I consider fantasy sports to be gambling when money is involve) seems like a very very bad idea to me.

I used to play the occasional game of poker or blackjack, but I haven't even done that in a couple of years.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Yes.


I haven't played fantasy sports for 2 years now, and when I did play fantasy sports, there was never any money involved. As an sports official, any form of gambling on any sport (and yes, I consider fantasy sports to be gambling when money is involve) seems like a very very bad idea to me.

I used to play the occasional game of poker or blackjack, but I haven't even done that in a couple of years.

Please don't take this as me making fun of you because I'm not, but some of you guys crack me up.

You are obviously a basketball official. You consider playing fantasy football a bad idea for you? Any fantasy sports is a bad idea because you are an official?

Man some of you guys need to loosen up and not take yourselves so seriously. Not one single player, coach, fan, or administrator cares if you play fantasy sports. I doubt they care about your taxes either. They care about your knowledge of the rules, your game management, and how you approach your job on the court.

I mean this in the most positive way possible. I imagine some of you guys are very very very good officials. Your knowledge of the rules is great and I can tell that you guys take it seriously, as do I. I don't share your stance (not you personally) that playing fantasy sports/gambling is a bad idea because you officiate a sport. I also don't question the ability/integrity of an official because of what they do with their money/taxes. Maybe I am in the minority on this board, maybe I'm not.

[jTheUmp]

[QUOTE=SD Referee;983834]Please don't take this as me making fun of you because I'm not, but some of you guys crack me up.[quote]
No offense taken. I enjoy the discussion.

You are obviously a basketball official. You consider playing fantasy football a bad idea for you? Any fantasy sports is a bad idea because you are an official?

I also officiate football (HS and NCAA), baseball and (about once a year) softball.

I stopped playing fantasy sports because I didn't really enjoy doing it.

Man some of you guys need to loosen up and not take yourselves so seriously. Not one single player, coach, fan, or administrator cares if you play fantasy sports. I doubt they care about your taxes either.

Probably not at the HS level or the D-III college level (where I currently work), but I wouldn't be surprised if they did care at the D-II or D-I level. And I guarantee you they do care at the professional level.

And I seem to remember some articles about NBA (or NCAA basketball) officials getting in trouble for taking incorrect tax deductions or somesuch... I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

They care about your knowledge of the rules, your game management, and how you approach your job on the court.

Well, in fairness, some of them probably care more about getting "hometown calls".

I mean this in the most positive way possible. I imagine some of you guys are very very very good officials. Your knowledge of the rules is great and I can tell that you guys take it seriously, as do I. I don't share your stance (not you personally) that playing fantasy sports/gambling is a bad idea because you officiate a sport.

Fair enough. Have fun with your fantasy team(s).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

Do you think the IRS is one bit worried about some guys not paying taxes on their reffing money? I have first hand experience in the business and guys like us are not even on their radar. They are worried about big money people and people that have multiple income categories and expense categories that they use to fudge numbers.

You can talk about morals all you want, audit exposure, integrity, and the like. The bottom line is that, yes, the money is income and is supposed to be reported but a bigger number of refs don't report it than do.

Questioning somebody's ability or integrity as an official in correlation to what they do with their taxes is an extreme position to take. Are you reporting every dime of income that you take in during the year? I still haven't heard from those of you that win at fantasy sports. That is supposed to be reported too. Are you guys doing that?

My city treasurer most definitely cares about income from officiating and other independent contracting jobs. I have the letters to prove it.

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