Illegal or not?? Please Help!!

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Jewls885

But they did use it to communicate with players on the floor.

You can relay things from up top to the bench. You can't have a kid with a device on the floor. See 10.1.3a. It is the same type of play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

You can relay things from up top to the bench.

No, you can't.

10.1.3A "Team A's coach (b) is in contact with an assistant coach in the press box via a headset. RULING: A team technical foul is charged in (b).

edit: I see part of the problem. This is in the 2014-2015 book, but has been removed from the 2015-2016 book.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No, you can't.

10.1.3A "Team A's coach (b) is in contact with an assistant coach in the press box via a headset. RULING: A team technical foul is charged in (b).

edit: I see part of the problem. This is in the 2014-2015 book, but has been removed from the 2015-2016 book.

In the 15/16 book 10.1.3a says they can relay info from up top to the bench. The comment also says electronic devices can be used for coaching purposes. I can see cell phones/ headsets being illegal but these days everybody has them (cell phone) and can email an assistant on the bench.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

In the 15/16 book 10.1.3a says they can relay info from up top to the bench. The comment also says electronic devices can be used for coaching purposes. I can see cell phones/ headsets being illegal but these days everybody has them (cell phone) and can email an assistant on the bench.

That's 2015-16 10.1.3, subpart (a), not 10.1.3A.


And, it's the same at 2014-15 10.1.3B(a).

The difference being that someone is personally bringing information from the press box or dressing room to the bench. Or, showing plays to team members on the bench. There's no direct "electronic transmission" from the press box to the coach.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's 2015-16 10.1.3, subpart (a), not 10.1.3A.


And, it's the same at 2014-15 10.1.3B(a).

The difference being that someone is personally bringing information from the press box or dressing room to the bench. Or, showing plays to team members on the bench. There's no direct "electronic transmission" from the press box to the coach.

I used the little (a). Just left off the parenthesis. and they are the same play. Clearly, last year, "relay"meant no electronic communication from up top to bench because we had the headset play also in book saying you can't do it. Question is does the removal of the headset play mean it's now legal?

Obviously, we could enforce the headset rule but we couldn't stop somebody from up top emailing an assistant on the bench. I think they are likely to allow emailing video to the bench but not go as far as headsets. It could use a rewrite.

[BigCat]

Also, the headset play was in the case books when 10-1-3 said no electronics can be used for coaching purposes in the game being played.(my 10/11 books show that) That rule has changed as we know. It may be that they forgot to remove the headset case play when they changed the rule. Finally did this year.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No, you can't.

10.1.3A "Team A's coach (b) is in contact with an assistant coach in the press box via a headset. RULING: A team technical foul is charged in (b).

edit: I see part of the problem. This is in the 2014-2015 book, but has been removed from the 2015-2016 book.

Removal from the book doesn't mean the rule was changed to make it legal. It just means they decided to put something else in that they felt was more important.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Removal from the book doesn't mean the rule was changed to make it legal. It just means they decided to put something else in that they felt was more important.

I think removal from the book can be an indication that they may have changed it. I don't agree that they remove things just to put something more important in. Its not difficult to add pages. Frankly, they could have just made a mistake. The play saying they have tv in the press box and "relay" it to the bench is also in the 14/15 book. Question is how can you relay it.....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I think removal from the book can be an indication that they may have changed it. I don't agree that they remove things just to put something more important in. Its not difficult to add pages. Frankly, they could have just made a mistake. The play saying they have tv in the press box and "relay" it to the bench is also in the 14/15 book. Question is how can you relay it.....

Not true. Print formats have certain production restraints and budget issues. They can very well be limited to a specific number of pages. They drop things all the time without intending for them to no longer apply. Unless there is a statement to say it has changed, it is just as likely to apply as to not apply.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not true. Print formats have certain production restraints and budget issues. They can very well be limited to a specific number of pages. They drop things all the time without intending for them to no longer apply. Unless there is a statement to say it has changed, it is just as likely to apply as to not apply.

the case book isn't even a hundred pages. They certainly make mistakes and leave stuff in/take stuff out they shouldn't. The headset case play was in the book when 10-1-3 said no electronics used in game. They changed rule. And may have just realized they needed the case play also removed. I just don't think things are removed because it cost too much or they can't go over 100 pages. Maybe so.

I don't know what the exact answer is but the video play says it is legal to relay the info from up top to the bench. Can't imagine they would say you have to personally carry it down when it can easily be emailed these days. We'll see.