Duke @ North Carolina 3 Plays (Video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't know what your expectation is for simultaneously because ALL jump stops would be travels. Calling this not simultaneous is a nit that I'm never going to pick.
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Jump stops are either properly or improperly performed. I officiate in the hometown of Allen Iverson, so I've seen plenty of examples of properly executed jump stops. Even the guys I used to play pick-up ball with know the difference because it is a move that a lot AI admirers have tried to perfect over the years.

I didn't need slow motion to tell Grayson's jump stop was improper, but I also acknowledged that no one is calling this one a travel, including myself.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I didn't need slow motion to tell Grayson's jump stop was improper, but I also acknowledged that no one is calling this one a travel, including myself.

Agree.

[PAlbc]

Jump stops aside, can someone please explain why play #3 isn't a travel before the foul?

I realize that slow motion isn't great since officials have to make the calls in real time, but the camera angle is blocked from seeing everything clearly.

Agreeing with griblets, If you stop the video at 25 sec mark, ball is in both hands, right foot is pivot foot. He then proceeds to put down the left, lift the right and then puts it down again after the spin move.

Travel?

Since the foul happened after the travel then the contact on the shot shouldn't matter. Yes?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by PAlbc

Jump stops aside, can someone please explain why play #3 isn't a travel before the foul?

I realize that slow motion isn't great since officials have to make the calls in real time, but the camera angle is blocked from seeing everything clearly.

Agreeing with griblets, If you stop the video at 25 sec mark, ball is in both hands, right foot is pivot foot. He then proceeds to put down the left, lift the right and then puts it down again after the spin move.

Travel?

Since the foul happened after the travel then the contact on the shot shouldn't matter. Yes?

It probably was a travel but in real time I wouldn't catch that. The decision for when the player has gathered to which foot is the pivot is at times impossible and we miss the real first pivot foot. It's just a fact, especially with D1 athletes as they move so quick. If you need to stop the video to see the travel then it's best that you just don't call the travel.

[PAlbc]

Originally Posted by deecee

It probably was a travel but in real time I wouldn't catch that. The decision for when the player has gathered to which foot is the pivot is at times impossible and we miss the real first pivot foot. It's just a fact, especially with D1 athletes as they move so quick. If you need to stop the video to see the travel then it's best that you just don't call the travel.

I tend to agree about needing to stop the video then don't call it. If the lower angle video wasn't obstructed and you could view it in live speed and still couldn't tell, then fine. I think you would have been able to easily see the right foot set from a lower unobstructed angle.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by PAlbc

I tend to agree about needing to stop the video then don't call it. If the lower angle video wasn't obstructed and you could view it in live speed and still couldn't tell, then fine. I think you would have been able to easily see the right foot set from a lower unobstructed angle.

I am telling you, with pretty much 100% certainty, that in real time I am not getting this travel. No matter my angle. The gather and pivot happen so fast with the first step it is easy to miss that pivot, and quite frankly expected.

I have never been chastised for letting these types of "travel" calls go. I have been chastised for (1) making them and (2) passing on contact fouls that hinder freedom of movement.

IOW NO ONE cares about missed borderline travel calls past a freshman level game. Just make sure you call the ones that need to be called.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by deecee

IOW NO ONE cares about missed borderline travel calls past a freshman level game. Just make sure you call the ones that need to be called.

Well coaches care, but then again that is only when it benefits them personally, but you get the idea anyway.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by PAlbc

I tend to agree about needing to stop the video then don't call it. If the lower angle video wasn't obstructed and you could view it in live speed and still couldn't tell, then fine. I think you would have been able to easily see the right foot set from a lower unobstructed angle.

The main value of stopping video to see if it is or is not an infraction is to be able to learn what infractions look like in real time. Slow the video down, analyze it, determine that it was or wansn't, then watch it at full speed to correlate what infractions or non-infractions look like at full speed.